Are Renters 2nd Class Citizens?

carslet

thequant wrote: »

Since buying my own place I have noticed there is a difference between those who own and those who rent in lots of ways.

Those who own, tend to be more successful and focused in life.

There are other smaller things, such as I've noticed my rentier friends never use a coaster when I make them a drink, where as my owner occupier friends do.

It's got to the point I'm reluctant to invite them round anymore due to the constant worry of them leaving marks on my furniture.

Yes I too am thinking of not letting renters anywhere near my house, a sign outside would be a good idea to start with.
:rotfl:

mwpt

Renters to become full fledged housing citizens:

- Automatic long term - 10 year - tenancy agreements for tenants
- Rent rises capped to some inflation figure, preferably wages
- Tenants can break after initial agreed period
- Easier evictions of dysfunctional tenants
- Fast arbitration court to help with above
- Agency fees paid by landlord
- 3-6 month tenancy agreements allowed for short term rentals should both parties require with disincentives for this model (eg. home owner goes abroad for a short period but doesn't receive full tax breaks)

This view won't suit every existing landlord, too bad. Entrants into the market will be fully aware of the responsibilities and they're signing up for a long term investment providing shelter/homes. People can raise families, send children to schools in this model without fear of no fault eviction.

thequant

Generali wrote: »

Is that so? I always thought it was 12 months or 6 months.

Not sure how true this is, but an EA told me that the maximum legal length rent contract is actually 6 month, despite the typical contract being 12 months. Hence this is why they have a break clause in at 6 months, if it doesn't, then you are still entitled to it as its a right that can't be signed away.

If you have signed for a longer contract, then a break clause after every 6 months is required, effectively any contract longer than 6 months is a periodic contract of 6 months.

princeofpounds

Not sure how true this is, but an EA told me that the maximum legal length rent contract is actually 6 month,

It's not remotely true. ASTs beyond three years need to be executed as a deed, however, rather than just a plain contract. And when you get really long term, you have other thresholds around various legal issues.


I'd actually highlight this as an example of the nonsense agents often trot out to tenants, given it is often in their interest to promote constant re-signing and churn.

TheeMaskedTurnip

Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote. Looks like it's a close run race between the yes and no camps. It's clear that owning your own house and having the financial nuance and ability to paying down your own mortgage literally opens doors.

Graham_Devon

TheeMaskedTurnip wrote: »

Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote. Looks like it's a close run race between the yes and no camps. It's clear that owning your own house and having the financial nuance and ability to paying down your own mortgage literally opens doors.

Indeed.

Though it would be interesting to know what the real response would be, without the same person signing in with 15 usernames to vote "yes" 15 times.

Interesting that you started this thread, a couple of usernames from the first 10 replies sign in to vote and comment and then disappear again, not to be seen since voting.

thequant

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Indeed.

Though it would be interesting to know what the real response would be, without the same person signing in with 15 usernames to vote "yes" 15 times.

Interesting that you started this thread, a couple of usernames from the first 10 replies sign in to vote and comment and then disappear again, not to be seen since voting.

Graham, do you have coasters in your home ? And if so, do you use them ?

C_Mababejive

I do not think renters are second class citizens but my thoughts on it have little to do with who owns the roof over your head and more to do with what or who the people who inhabit these isles really are.

For a start, no one in this country is a citizen. They are all mere chattels of the state, nothing much more than slaves who are born slaves and die slaves. They are used by the state to replace other slaves who have dropped and been buried. They take their place at the oars of the good ship capitalism and are fooled into thinking they are free and doing well.

Really they are simply used for the profit of others. They are there for the enrichment of the state and the rel monied classes and to pay taxes.

As for ownership of homes,,,well the citizens of the UK live in the smallest crummiest most expensive homes in the developed world and seem to be so content to do so.

They are often saddled with huge mortgages which further enslaves them and holds them in fear.

As for their homes, well they do not really own the land on which it stands but merely have a lease of it for so long as they pay feu duties for the privilege of soiling the states land with their presence.

westernpromise

C_Mababejive wrote: »

I do not think renters are second class citizens but my thoughts on it have little to do with who owns the roof over your head and more to do with what or who the people who inhabit these isles really are.

For a start, no one in this country is a citizen. They are all mere chattels of the state, nothing much more than slaves who are born slaves and die slaves. They are used by the state to replace other slaves who have dropped and been buried. They take their place at the oars of the good ship capitalism and are fooled into thinking they are free and doing well.

Really they are simply used for the profit of others. They are there for the enrichment of the state and the rel monied classes and to pay taxes.

As for ownership of homes,,,well the citizens of the UK live in the smallest crummiest most expensive homes in the developed world and seem to be so content to do so.

They are often saddled with huge mortgages which further enslaves them and holds them in fear.

As for their homes, well they do not really own the land on which it stands but merely have a lease of it for so long as they pay feu duties for the privilege of soiling the states land with their presence.

You must be fun at parties.

BobQ

No they are not but such is the obsession with owning a house, many renters do seem to have an inferiority complex.