Inflation, Inflation, Inflation...

Fella

wotsthat wrote: »

Me being unable to disprove your opinion doesn't make your opinion a fact. Never mind the nice try act - prove your opinion is a fact.

It is the Internet I suppose. If someone can't prove a lie is a lie then it must be the truth?

I couldn't care less what you think to be true. If you want me to think it's true you'll need to provide some evidence.

Rubbish. Do you provide evidence to back up everything you say then?

It is a fact. You tried to muddy the argument by calling it an opinion. Then you tried & failed to find any evidence. Now you just look foolish.

wotsthat

Fella wrote: »

Rubbish. Do you provide evidence to back up everything you say then?

It is a fact. You tried to muddy the argument by calling it an opinion. Then you tried & failed to find any evidence. Now you just look foolish.

No I don't but I might have said I don't think Apple have ever reduced prices because of a strengthened pound rather than stating as fact. You were simply creating a narrative.

You cannot possibly be in a position to know when talking about products like Apple when you're up against Moores law and a complex product range that they've effectively never shared increased (from £ strength) margins with consumers.

Again, me being unable to disprove your opinion doesn't make it a fact. I started a thread about Marmite and found the internet to be the worse place to reliably find historic prices.

Clearly your opinion is strongly held but it's still an opinion. Conrad said the same thing to create the same narrative (he's started talking about spivs) so maybe he can do better than his memory of Apple prices between 2003 and 2008.

[Deleted User]

If I may poke my nose in..... if someone makes a claim, the usual approach is for the person making the claim to justify it.

If either of you claimed that there were invisible fairies in hob-nailed boots living under a shed at the bottom of your garden, it would be up to you to justify that claim, not up to me or anyone else to try to disprove it.

If both parties to a debate claim something is true, and their claims are pointing in opposite directions, expecting some form of evidence from the two sides would help.

Having two opinions, with no evidence for either position, is not particularly helpful!

My own view that the first person making a claim in a debate carries the responsibility to demonstrate the truth of it, not to dare everyone else to prove them wrong.

Sorry to interrupt - just trying to be helpful - carry on! :cool:

WR

CLAPTON

Wild_Rover wrote: »

If either of you claimed that there were invisible fairies in hob-nailed boots living under a shed at the bottom of your garden, it would be up to you to justify that claim, not up to me or anyone else to try to disprove it.


WR

we need some compromise and good will here.

well, its a matter of faith that the fairies have hob-nailed boots, but we can all agree that they are invisible as none of us can see them

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Wild_Rover wrote: »

If I may poke my nose in..... if someone makes a claim, the usual approach is for the person making the claim to justify it.

If either of you claimed that there were invisible fairies in hob-nailed boots living under a shed at the bottom of your garden, it would be up to you to justify that claim, not up to me or anyone else to try to disprove it.

If both parties to a debate claim something is true, and their claims are pointing in opposite directions, expecting some form of evidence from the two sides would help.

Having two opinions, with no evidence for either position, is not particularly helpful!

My own view that the first person making a claim in a debate carries the responsibility to demonstrate the truth of it, not to dare everyone else to prove them wrong.

Sorry to interrupt - just trying to be helpful - carry on! :cool:

WR

Just a thought but .............. has anyone told Hamish that?

Because sticking to those rules would leave him with approximately zero posts and certainly zero threads.
:rotfl:

Fella

wotsthat wrote: »

No I don't but I might have said I don't think Apple have ever reduced prices because of a strengthened pound rather than stating as fact. You were simply creating a narrative.

You cannot possibly be in a position to know when talking about products like Apple when you're up against Moores law and a complex product range that they've effectively never shared increased (from £ strength) margins with consumers.

Again, me being unable to disprove your opinion doesn't make it a fact. I started a thread about Marmite and found the internet to be the worse place to reliably find historic prices.

Clearly your opinion is strongly held but it's still an opinion. Conrad said the same thing to create the same narrative (he's started talking about spivs) so maybe he can do better than his memory of Apple prices between 2003 and 2008.

It's not an opinion, I follow the prices of Apple gear pretty closely & I know they don't reduce prices in the UK due to sterling strengthening. Asking for "proof" is faintly ludicrous since you're asking for proof of something NOT happening. So what kind of proof are you asking for exactly? A statement of some kind saying "by the way, we're NOT changing anything, just thought we'd let you know".

BTW you keep talking about years like 2003. Why is that? The pound rose strongly against the dollar in 2008-2009. Also in 2010-2011. Also 2013-2014. Lots of recent rises on a par with the recent fall. So no need for you to go back to 2003, just find some evidence of Apple cutting prices as recently as a couple of years ago. That should be easy. Shouldn't it?


However, since you've googled it, you know as well as I do that all you find is evidence of Apple rising prices on a strong dollar (& not just for UK consumers). But no records of them cutting UK prices when the dollar is weak.

As I said before & I've repeated a few times, Apple don't reduce UK prices due to the strength of sterling. Anyone who claims they do, put up or shut up.

Or have the grace to admit you're wrong.

Conrad

Was the pound overvalued before the EU referendum?


https://fullfact.org/economy/exchange-rates-and-imf/


Conclusion

'This is correct. Before the EU referendum, the IMF said that the pound was overvalued in 2015'.

[Deleted User]

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Just a thought but .............. has anyone told Hamish that?

Because sticking to those rules would leave him with approximately zero posts and certainly zero threads.
:rotfl:

Can you prove that?

(Only kidding!)

WR

Thrugelmir

Conrad wrote: »

Was the pound overvalued before the EU referendum?

Hardly a secret Conrad. A constant point of discussion. Along with the unsustainable trade deficit. Difficulty for the Government to balance the budget. Etc. Unless the elephant is the room far easier to ignore the real issues and pretend they'll magically disappear. As tomorrow's problem.

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hardly a secret Conrad. A constant point of discussion. Along with the unsustainable trade deficit. Difficulty for the Government to balance the budget. Etc. Unless the elephant is the room far easier to ignore the real issues and pretend they'll magically disappear. As tomorrow's problem.

Everyone knew sterling was overvalued except people betting their own money on it?