MPs debate the effect of the equalisation of the state pension age on women

Daniel54

tinter wrote: »

There is nothing pragmatic about the WASPI campaign. It is built on a sense of entitlement to a state pension at 60, and will continue in that vein evermore.

Hopefully the MPs moving to a sensible debate in this case will shift the media coverage and move WASPI further towards irrelevance. Once that happens it should naturally wither.

Agreed -there is also something rather unpleasant about it these days which leaves a nasty taste in the mouth

Frances Coppola,who wrote sensibly and thoughtfully on the subject ,has decided to withdraw from the debate due to social media harassment from WASPI supporters

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/01/dylan-thomas-and-furies.html

WASPI have re-tweeted this onto their Twitter page,but in my view rather disgracefully have said they will make no further comment.

https://twitter.com/WASPI_Campaign

patanne

Daniel54 wrote: »

Agreed -there is also something rather unpleasant about it these days which leaves a nasty taste in the mouth

Frances Coppola,who wrote sensibly and thoughtfully on the subject ,has decided to withdraw from the debate due to social media harassment from WASPI supporters

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/01/dylan-thomas-and-furies.html

WASPI have re-tweeted this onto their Twitter page,but in my view rather disgracefully have said they will make no further comment.

https://twitter.com/WASPI_Campaign

They have also been deleting any adverse comments very soon after they were posted. These posts were not abusive in any way, some disagreeing as in a debate and some actually correcting 'facts'. I do believe that they are behaving like any extremist does by blocking opposition, after all you don't NEED to have a gun to be an extremist.

saver861

Al. wrote: »

The shame is, the many who don't have much in the way if a plausible case (imho) detract from the needs of the few who do.

But how would this have been achieved if WASPI had not started the ball rolling. Nobody else was doing it.

patanne

saver861 wrote: »

But how would this have been achieved if WASPI had not started the ball rolling. Nobody else was doing it.

I agree, the problem is that those of us of less younger years don't tend to have a GROUP that we belong to that will speak for those in their 50s/early 60s. Luckily there seems to be an MP that is prepared to pick up on what is the real issue and do something. I am going to be keeping my eye on her. So far she seems to be worth it.

I could say here 'I'm alright Jack' as I am pushing 70. I'm not affected, it doesn't mean that I don't know what is right & what is iffy.

Paul_Herring

Daniel54 wrote: »

Frances Coppola,who wrote sensibly and thoughtfully on the subject ,has decided to withdraw from the debate due to social media harassment from WASPI supporters

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/01/dylan-thomas-and-furies.html

WASPI have re-tweeted this onto their Twitter page,but in my view rather disgracefully have said they will make no further comment.

https://twitter.com/WASPI_Campaign

Utterly, utterly, shameful.

jem16

Al. wrote: »

Agreed. The SNP has just confirmed it doesn't support the WASPI aim of rollback for anyone born in the fifties.

Have you a link for that confirmation?

jem16

patanne wrote: »

They have also been deleting any adverse comments very soon after they were posted. These posts were not abusive in any way, some disagreeing as in a debate and some actually correcting 'facts'.

Very much evident on Facebook yesterday. A whole thread of 124 posts disappeared when their version of the "facts" was being counteracted by actual facts and links to government issued information.

SnowMan

Daniel54 wrote: »

Frances Coppola,who wrote sensibly and thoughtfully on the subject ,has decided to withdraw from the debate due to social media harassment from WASPI supporters

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/01/dylan-thomas-and-furies.html

That's absolutely terrible.

There is so much decency, soul, compassion, thoughtfulness, and honesty in Frances Coppola's blog. And surely anyone who disagrees with her (not just those of us who agree with her) can see that. These are all qualities that are completely absent from the WASPE campaign.

It takes a lot of courage to speak up for the right as she has done.

Very sad to see this happen :(

saver861

Paul_Herring wrote: »

Utterly, utterly, shameful.

Unfortunately, online abuse is a particularly unpleasant social cancer that is festering towards a troublesome outcome. When this campaign is long gone, the online abuse problem will still be there, only more out control. The problems this will cause will make this pension issue look like a droplet in the ocean.

It is unacceptable in any form. In any situation where there are opposing views, this is a significant threat. It goes both ways and is equally unacceptable which ever direction it travels. It is not helped when either side in any campaign uses the abuse as a means gaining the higher moral ground or any form of points scoring. Abuse is abuse which ever direction it comes from.

The concern is what makes people think they can behave is this manner? Why do they feel they can do so? Why do people adopt such mentality? Unfortunately it is a spreading mentality - one which causes some concern going forward in the future.

patanne

jem16 wrote: »

Very much evident on Facebook yesterday. A whole thread of 124 posts disappeared when their version of the "facts" was being counteracted by actual facts and links to government issued information.

It is shameful isn't it? How can people be allowed to delete posts that simply tell the truth? They are not abusive. They are not against the law. Just stating facts. I know a lot of people must disagree with me, but people like this are dangerous. Anyone who states lies as facts and get people with influence to agree with them are dangerous and get those with influence (Paul Lewis, thank goodness not Martin) to go along with them - well I find it very worrying.

Are these people doing their 'due diligence'? Yes I know an Americanism but it fits the situation. If they are not, or have an agenda of their own which they are following, should we be even more worried.