Partner sacked - is there anything we can do?

Marktheshark

Tell him to go back to what he knows, he will also get some respect back working a trade, shop work is for those who can not do anything else, its low pay and beg to jumped up managers on 50p an hour more on your knees work.

People are crying out loud for good handymen, especially one with some actual skills.

whitewing

It is normal to feel very angry about this, especially when he was doing so well. Cut out the anger and speak to HR about applying as a new position. He may well be able to turn it into a positive, especially as he was moving stores anyway but he will have to 'get over it' (in the nicest possible way) rather than risk being seen to be disgruntled which would affect his colleagues too.

Flyonthewall

patman99 wrote: »

As long as he makes no mention of being sacked to the DWP, then he will not be sanctioned. However, he should have been more honest on his timesheet as even though his ex-employer is unlikely to tell the Jobcentre they sacked him, they are likely to mention it on a referance.

Mind you, I am surprised that the DIY store did not have an electronic timekeeping system in place instead of timesheets.

He just got sacked for lying, do you really think it's a good idea to lie to the DWP too? They could easily find out and I'm sure they ask about why you left your job/if you've even been sacked. Best to be honest or he could cause himself even more problems.

I find it odd that you say he should have been honest on his timesheet yet find it acceptable to try and deceive the job centre to avoid sanction.

bewilderedhelpneeded

Thank you! His reason for dismissal is gross misconduct so don't hold out much hope of him being re employed by same company as all hr is done centrally. But I guess it's worth a go. I think he might have had more chance if he had been able to submit an appeal as someone else would have looked at situation. Yes he can earn a lot more self employed doing his trade but we made decision for him to reduce his time on the tools due to his health. He was on min wage and yes you are right the managers were not on much more than him. He really enjoyed working there though and said so in his meeting. He enjoyed having work colleagues rather than working by himself. He was going to try and work his way up through the company even though he knew he could earn more outside. He was put forward for management training by his line manager and was working his way through that.

He knows he has made a mistake and I think he is feeling pretty angry with himself as well as them.

whitewing

Somebody at some point will give him a chance, but he has to be able to be positive and friendly about it. Everyone makes mistakes - it really is about how you handle it.


Every minute that passes means the mistake is further away in his history. At some point it will be hurting much less and it will not be so relevant. Don't let him beat himself up about it. What is done is done. (Mind you, I always have to learn the hard way).

Maybe he could also pop along to a local job club and get some help with wording his CV, application forms. I bet they will have seen some worse situations before that have had good or okay outcomes.

Takeaway_Addict

Marktheshark wrote: »

Tell him to go back to what he knows, he will also get some respect back working a trade, shop work is for those who can not do anything else, its low pay and beg to jumped up managers on 50p an hour more on your knees work.

People are crying out loud for good handymen, especially one with some actual skills.

Nicely disresepectful to the millions that do retail work...but I didn't really expect anything less from yourself.

Takeaway_Addict

ohreally wrote: »

The purpose of a disciplinary is not punitive, yet they appear to have exercised some haste in punishing him by dismissing, which should be a last resort regardless.

Being dismissed with no route of appeal is arguably automatically unfair (there is no length of service qualification in such circumstances), you may wish to consider a call to ACAS for their thoughts.



Next job, join a union.

I agree with the appeal part, there is no harm in your OH appealing anyway in writing...what the worst that happens...they throw it away?

The rest, whilst maybe techincally right I think Ohreally knows won't wash but could be added to add some pressure in the appeal letter.

Marktheshark

If he had real life experience of a trade then he would have been a serious threat to the jumped up backbiters above him and they will take any chance they get to push him over board.
Last thing they want is someone who actually knows the game in their world of blagging.
He would have been picked up on and raced ahead, shop floor work is dog eat dog, the chance to stop him in his tracks arose and probably some self preservation from someone who knew he was a threat.

This is how this type of work is in shops, you are worthless and disposable to them.
No tradesman should be answering to these people, he needs to look in the mirror and remember who he is, even diy handyman are very much in demand, some on facebook groups of all things round here are booked months in advance and they are not cheap.

Tell him he is better than this, get some tools out and get his respect back as a tradesman, he will earn on two days what they paid him for a week and there is no jumped up backbighters to answer to, he will be his own man, which is something these people that jumped him will never be, only thing they will ever be is next !.
Mark.

Flyonthewall

Marktheshark wrote: »

If he had real life experience of a trade then he would have been a serious threat to the jumped up backbiters above him and they will take any chance they get to push him over board.
Last thing they want is someone who actually knows the game in their world of blagging.
He would have been picked up on and raced ahead, shop floor work is dog eat dog, the chance to stop him in his tracks arose and probably some self preservation from someone who knew he was a threat.

This is how this type of work is in shops, you are worthless and disposable to them.
No tradesman should be answering to these people, he needs to look in the mirror and remember who he is, even diy handyman are very much in demand, some on facebook groups of all things round here are booked months in advance and they are not cheap.

Tell him he is better than this, get some tools out and get his respect back as a tradesman, he will earn on two days what they paid him for a week and there is no jumped up backbighters to answer to, he will be his own man, which is something these people that jumped him will never be, only thing they will ever be is next !.
Mark.

One DIY store in particular, no doubt others do the same too, are very well known for employing those that have been in the trade. So that's complete rubbish.

sangie595

ohreally wrote: »

The purpose of a disciplinary is not punitive, yet they appear to have exercised some haste in punishing him by dismissing, which should be a last resort regardless.

Being dismissed with no route of appeal is arguably automatically unfair (there is no length of service qualification in such circumstances), you may wish to consider a call to ACAS for their thoughts.



Next job, join a union.

What is automatically unfair is set down in statute. Being dismissed without an appeal is not amongst the things laid down. There is no statutory right to an appeal. The entitlement to an appeal is laid down in ACAS guidance and forms the basis of what a tribunal look at when deciding whether a process is fair in law. Since this would never see the inside of a tribunal, that guidance is just so much paper.