Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

saver861

jamesd wrote: »

I suggest not just talking but acting, in the form of such things as donating to fund legal action against the government if gender discrimination is increased in the state pension system and funding and otherwise supporting the election campaigns of the opponents of MPs who favour increasing gender discrimination in the state pension system.

If gender discrimination is your thing, and you do waffle on about it, so I'm guessing it is, then you are way late to the party bro.

See, here's the thing. Women have been getting pension at 60 since the day uno ..... so, if you are so hot on that why have you not been trying to do something about it longgggggggg before now? Hell, those broads have been getting it good since pension started. Now I could be wrong and it might be you have been 'active' against that since you were in short trousers. If so, point me to the references.

On the other hand, if we follow on your premise, in general, as a man, you will have benefited over many years at the expense of discrimination against women. Where was your voice then? I've looked and I can't find any specific quotes from you from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's ,90's, 00's!!

Then again, maybe you don't think women were discriminated against or take the view of some women that they were not 'downtrodden' etc etc. Sure, not all women were discriminated and sure many had opportunities that others did not. Unfortunately those women that were blessed with opportunity did little to support their peers that were less blessed.

Funny that ...

atush

Flogging. Horse. Dead.

Thrugelmir

jamesd wrote: »

One of the nice things about a democracy is that we can help to vote whose who support discrimination out of office.

Likewise a manifesto pledging tax increases isn't going to garner support.

As with most things these days. As long as somebody else pays the cost...........

Pollycat

Born in late 1953, I'm a woman affected by the 2011 change.
1995 is just 'water under the bridge'. I knew about it 20 years ago.

My state pensionI would have been paid in April 2017 but under the 2011 changes that's been put back to July 2018.

Annoyed at the short notice but my pension & retirement plans didn't include reliance on that date.

Are there any women who really think that all this hoo-ha by WASPI and debates in Parliament is actually going to make any difference to their state pension age?

POPPYOSCAR

saver861 wrote: »

If gender discrimination is your thing, and you do waffle on about it, so I'm guessing it is, then you are way late to the party bro.

See, here's the thing. Women have been getting pension at 60 since the day uno ..... so, if you are so hot on that why have you not been trying to do something about it longgggggggg before now? Hell, those broads have been getting it good since pension started. Now I could be wrong and it might be you have been 'active' against that since you were in short trousers. If so, point me to the references.

On the other hand, if we follow on your premise, in general, as a man, you will have benefited over many years at the expense of discrimination against women. Where was your voice then? I've looked and I can't find any specific quotes from you from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's ,90's, 00's!!

Then again, maybe you don't think women were discriminated against or take the view of some women that they were not 'downtrodden' etc etc. Sure, not all women were discriminated and sure many had opportunities that others did not. Unfortunately those women that were blessed with opportunity did little to support their peers that were less blessed.

Funny that ...

Well said.

Goldiegirl

Pollycat wrote: »

Are there any women who really think that all this hoo-ha by WASPI and debates in Parliament is actually going to make any difference to their state pension age?

I think there are some women who post on the WASPI Facebook site who genuinely believe, if they 'fight' hard enough (whatever that means), they'll get their pension backdated to the age of 60.


That clearly isn't going to happen.


If there is, by any chance, some sort of small concession to assist people in genuine hardship, that would be a major achievement.


But these WASPI supporters I've described would see that as a failure - I think in the end, the supporters will turn on WASPI. It won't be pretty

mystic_trev

Goldiegirl wrote: »

But these WASPI supporters I've described would see that as a failure - I think in the end, the supporters will turn on WASPI. It won't be pretty

If they'd stuck to challenging the 2011 changed, they may have got some concessions. Unfortunately they want the 1995 changes amended as well, although they don't say how? It ain't going to happen.

p00hsticks

saver861 wrote: »

Unfortunately those women that were blessed with opportunity did little to support their peers that were less blessed.

And doesn't that sum up WASPI ? Women born throughout the 50's - many seemingly well off - demanding that they recieve 'compensation' to put them in the position they would have been if they had an SPA of 60 and making unrealistic demands, distracting from the case of that small subsection of their sisters born in 1953-54 who are in real financial hardship and have a genuine grievance.

jamesd

saver861 wrote: »

Women have been getting pension at 60 since the day uno ... those broads have been getting it good since pension started

Neither men nor women have been getting a state pension at 60 since the first day, for women it started at 70, reduced to 65 then reduced again to 60:

• The 1908 Old Age pensions Act provided non-contributor means tested state pensions to those over 70 who had an income less than 8 shillings a week, with a gradually reduced pension for incomes up to 12 shillings.
• The 1925 Widows, Orphans and Old Age Contributory Pensions Act provided pensions based on contributions that started at ages 65 to those who paid in for the five years before they reached age 65. The age 70 pension remained as a fallback for those not paying in. This system was set up mainly for lower paid and manual workers, not all, and was only compulsory for them. A woman could user her husband's record to claim a pension when she reached age 65.
• The 1940 Old Age and Widows Pensions Act extended means tested pension benefits to pensioners and their widows. This is what first lowered the women's pension age to 60 on the basis that their work in textile mills was so debilitating that it was physically impossible to work longer. Few UK women today have ever worked in textile mills with the conditions that prevailed at this time so this reason for the lower age vanished long ago.

saver861 wrote: »

women were discriminated against or take the view of some women that they were not 'downtrodden' etc etc. Sure, not all women were discriminated and sure many had opportunities that others did not. Unfortunately those women that were blessed with opportunity did little to support their peers that were less blessed.

There clearly has been and still is discrimination in many areas. The solution to that is to eliminate discrimination, not to add more of it as WASPI seeks to do. And of course WASPI is seeking a boon for all women within a certain age range, not just those who were discriminated against and not just those with financial need (of the level that involves means tested benefits being payable).

jamesd

Goldiegirl wrote: »

I think there are some women who post on the WASPI Facebook site who genuinely believe, if they 'fight' hard enough (whatever that means), they'll get their pension backdated to the age of 60. ... That clearly isn't going to happen. ... But these WASPI supporters I've described would see that as a failure - I think in the end, the supporters will turn on WASPI. It won't be pretty

Given that the recent official WASPI submission contained these quotes I think you're right about that objective:

"I do not fancy working for over another 4 years"
"What if we don't reach 66 ? My parents died 56 & 62 ,, husband 62 son died 21yrs"
"They need to look at everyone who has had their pension age deferred twice"
"hope we all get payments backdated to our 60 the birthdays"
"We should be being paid now with no reductions and back pay to when we were 60!"
"A friend of mine is nearly 21 months older than me and could have had it at 62. She deferred it for 16 months and now gets £100 a month more!"

even though WASPI asserts in 4.1 that:

"many women have, with little/no notice, been left without an “entitled income” for up to 6 years, with the result that very many cannot meet their daily basic living costs/existing financial commitments ... and as a result are being forced into a lifetime of debt/poverty"

Goldiegirl wrote: »

If there is, by any chance, some sort of small concession to assist people in genuine hardship, that would be a major achievement.

There is already one concession on time, reducing the delay, and anyone who is below Pension Credit age, today the woman's own state pension age, is eligible for the usual working age means tested benefits provided only that they are willing to seek and take work, or are unable to work, and meet the household income requirements for the means test of the means tested benefits.

The working age benefits won't help those people who WASPI quoted because of course their objective is not related to hardship but to a desire to retire earlier, so they won't be seeking work.

Any woman in financial need and willing to work should seek the relevant means tested and other working age benefits. That's what they are there for, protecting people from genuine hardship. No special provision is needed, since this is already available.