state pension amounts

bigfreddiel

Chickereeeee wrote: »

I would not trust the site at all. It says I cannot make up contributions for 2014-5 nor 2013-4 as they '...were more than six years ago'!

C

I found it to be 100% accurate.

fj

greenglide

Yes but that part of the system should be pretty robust before it goes bet. From the sounds of it, that's not the case.

Agile doesn't deliver things that are "pretty robust" IMHO. The tried and tested processes deliver code that, hopefully, has been through formal testing against the original requirements and ought to exercise all variants. Agile is sometimes used as a short cut to remove much of this structure which is sad because it wasn't originally intended to do that.

saver861

greenglide wrote: »

Agile doesn't deliver things that are "pretty robust" IMHO. The tried and tested processes deliver code that, hopefully, has been through formal testing against the original requirements and ought to exercise all variants. Agile is sometimes used as a short cut to remove much of this structure which is sad because it wasn't originally intended to do that.

I don't know anything about Agile to be honest. My basic understanding is that it is attempting to achieve the evolutionary development process via prototyping.

While I understand the concepts of what it is trying to achieve, I'm not sure I'd be confident in it being a successful approach to a mission critical product or one of such scale and scope.

The pensions system must surely be a beast as big as any. If that is how the system is being developed then, maybe its no surprise that its churning out these estimates with numbers that are seemingly off the scale.

Unless of course they really are knocking something together as a model for a full blown system. If thats the case, doing it a few months before the biggest change in the pension system for a generation was probably not the best time to start!! Dearie me ...

greenglide

The pensions system must surely be a beast as big as any. If that is how the system is being developed then, maybe its no surprise that its churning out these estimates with numbers that are seemingly off the scale.

Fortunately the "pensions system" which actually pays peoples State Pensions has nothing to do with producing pensions forecasts.

Forecasts are produced using NI Contributions data which is held by the HMRC NPS system (previously the NIRS2 system). When people reach SPa this data is supplied to the DWP systems to calculate and pay the pensions.

At present these are conventional, large, systems dating back to the early 90s which DWP would love to replace but have never managed so far.

The IT changes for nSP were not agile and do work!

Chickereeeee

bigfreddiel wrote: »

I found it to be 100% accurate.

fj

Reply from HMRC today:

"At the moment this is a test service and we are continuing to develop this based on customer feedback.
We are aware of an issue that is affecting forecast values for a small amount of customers.
We will let you know when this has been rectified so that you can log back in and see correct values."

So beware.

C

greenglide

We are aware of an issue that is affecting forecast values for a small amount of customers.

It would be "useful" if they gave at least some idea as to who is affected, wouldnt it?

But it is a "beta" service so we must be careful not to put any reliance on it.

Which begs the question - they are providing a service (there are others in the gov.uk space) as a "beta" service but it is giving data that many people cannot easily check at this time but people may make long term financial decisions based on it.

Extreme care is required.

LHW99

I did phone the contact number, and a very pleasant gentleman indicated he thought the contracted out deduction wasn't being applied (also my thoughts).

However he couldn't access what the pension forecast system was doing and suggested I used the email contact for help from within my signed on area. They should apparently be able to sort out (explain?) what is going on.

Always my luck to be one of the "small number"!

t0rt0ise

There is no point in using the email contact for help from within the signed in area because that's what I did and they said that there was probably a mistake but couldn't say for sure. Just best to try again later I think.

saver861

greenglide wrote: »

Fortunately the "pensions system" which actually pays peoples State Pensions has nothing to do with producing pensions forecasts.

Yes they would be separate. Presumably though the use the same live data or do they replicate?

Chickereeeee wrote: »

Reply from HMRC today:

We are aware of an issue that is affecting forecast values for a small amount of customers.


So beware.

C
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Is this a 'political' small number or 'actual' small number.

Judging by the number of incorrect on this one thread alone, if it is representative, then the small number will in fact be a very very big number!!!

bigfreddiel

Chickereeeee wrote: »

Reply from HMRC today:

"At the moment this is a test service and we are continuing to develop this based on customer feedback.
We are aware of an issue that is affecting forecast values for a small amount of customers.
We will let you know when this has been rectified so that you can log back in and see correct values."

So beware.

C

It was within a few pence of my paper forecast

Cheers fj