Building in flooded areas

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Och away....

Just build the right flood defences and be done with it.

The Americans have the right idea....

Nice one HAMISH. Imagine trying to get planning permission for that in the UK!!!:rotfl:

It's taken the Government 20+ years not to extend Heathrow Airport by a very small amount. Where on earth are you going to be able to put that monstrosity? That will never, ever happen. The Brits would rather see (someone else) flooded than have that built anywhere near them.

The problem with all infrastructure in the UK is that people just don't want it: flood defences, airports, power stations, homes, schools, shops. It's so hard to build anything useful that there has to be a huge premium on everything to justify the massive political risk that businesses take on in building this stuff.

!!!!!!, it took 2.5 years to get planning permission for flood defences in an area that had already flooded so the people were broadly in favour!

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1126685/go-ahead-cockermouth-flood-defence-scheme

It's ludicrous.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Generali wrote: »

Nice one HAMISH. Imagine trying to get planning permission for that in the UK!!!:rotfl:

!!!!!!, it took 2.5 years to get planning permission for flood defences in an area that had already flooded so the people were broadly in favour!

It's ludicrous.

Yep.

Sadly I increasingly think we get exactly the outcomes we deserve in this country.

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yep.

Sadly I increasingly think we get exactly the outcomes we deserve in this country.

Britain hasn't managed to build a new airport in 70 years. There must be one or two people left alive that have worked on building a civilian airport in the UK now at most.

It's no wonder the country keeps flooding and house prices are through the roof in the parts of the country that support a genuine economy rather than recycling taxes from London.

The floods are simply a reflection of a wider malaise.

System

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Och away....

Just build the right flood defences and be done with it.

The Americans have the right idea....

Yep, the yanks sure know how to handle the dangers of flooding especially after the major floods a few years back

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/28/missouri-floods-rainfall-st-louis-rivers

It would seem the problem both here and in the US is that the rainfall was a great deal larger than was ever predicted.even by the doom merchants

Rinoa

We used to dredge the rivers. Have done for centuries. But the EU put a stop to that.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/12/26/what-the-authorities-wont-tell-you-about-the-floods/

ukcarper

Is it actually possible to put flood defences in to protect from all extreme weather conditions and if you can would it be cost effective.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

We used to dredge the rivers. Have done for centuries. But the EU put a stop to that.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/12/26/what-the-authorities-wont-tell-you-about-the-floods/

Interesting piece. I'd be interested to see the extent of rainfall this year compared with the last 100 years for example though.

Dredging didn't just stop in Cumbria, it stopped across the country. Two large floods don't give many data points to start calling out a single major cause for the flooding without looking at the input of water.

kinger101

ukcarper wrote: »

Is it actually possible to put flood defences in to protect from all extreme weather conditions and if you can would it be cost effective.

Probably not all, as there is always an unpredictable element to the weather. But it's always going to be a case of diminishing returns.

GwylimT

Rinoa wrote: »

We used to dredge the rivers. Have done for centuries. But the EU put a stop to that.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/12/26/what-the-authorities-wont-tell-you-about-the-floods/

Dredging prevents the river taking its natural course, near Aberystwyth fields regularly flood after heavy rain. Some brain dead locals campaigned and the river was dredged, the result? Water could now flood a large village instead of fields, which it did a few weeks later, many of the campaigners lived in the village (Llanbadarn Fawr). Dredging floods someone/somewhere else, so instead of moaning about dredging being stopped how about putting that effort into informing people not to buy on flood plains.

CLAPTON

It would seem to me that dredging is unlikely to be sufficient to stop flooding: however it is likely to be part of the solution is some situations.
Similarly, addressing the issue of slowing water run off will also be part of the solution.
We need a proper science based analysis before rushing to conclusions.

It does seems that the EU rules are once again in the way of sensible proposals; but we need the analysis first.

Solutions involving new house building (while sensible) aren't going to significantly address the issue for 100 years