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Ordered Coffee machine and wanted to return back as soon as received !!
cypriotxx
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Hi There,
i have ordered a coffee machine over the phone after seeing the advert online . so paid it and delivered after receiving the item noticed it will need 3phase electric which we dont have.. and i have the online advert still saved does not mention the 3phase electricity needed or about the sales T&C , and even on the invoice there was not mentioned T&C about re-stocking fee etc.. anyway after all ask if we can return back. or offered we dont mind keeping here and post to the new buyer if that is would be an option but never heard back ... They did try to sell us different models and makes etc but we didnt like any of them and after that , called few times and left voicemails for call back but they didnt come back , send mails and at the end they ignored and ignored to the point .... when start the money claim online court procedure which i emailed and said i now started the court case and as soon as i started it they started responding ...
well in between all i have send the item back and they did receive it all ok , so there should be no reason to still hold my money should it , ... ! well because of the past i didnt trust them so here how it went ..
from me
Hi There,
We are now going ahead with taking your company to court because we have been ignored constantly emails and sms messages and calls and there is no attention of helping solving this,.
from them same day
Your email has been noted and thank you for the email attachment letter.
Please return the item to our warehouse address that can be found on the footer of this email.
We are unable to adhere to your request of any form of refund while you have the machine remains in your possession.
Kind regards,
The Catering Shop
from me
Thank you for your prompt reply , we will get this posted asap and once we received our money back , we will withdraw our application on moneyclaim.gov.uk
as you advised we've put the machine back on a palette and dispatched it back to your warehouse.
The delivery is due to be with you on the 13th November which is Friday this week. You have received our Solicitors letter. We paid £500 directly into your bank account for this item.
we have now paid carriage both ways. £50 x 2 £100. We are offering to leave the one £50 carriage, but would ask you to pay the return. We believe this is a fair arrangement. Therefore once the machine is back in your keeping this Friday please pay back £550 into our account.
from them
Thank you for your email, we are now in receipt of the returned item.
We are now in receipt of your court action as of today, so are now unsure as how you wish to proceed with the matter?
With regard to payment of postage i am afraid we will have to decline on this occasion and request that this cost be incurred by yourselves.
From our perspective, The item was advertised correctly with the appropriate and representative detail including dimensions, photographs and product capabilities. With all due respect, the error was not on our behalf and we delivered the machine as instructed. I am sure that you agree the error was unfortunately at your end on this occasion.
We also, subject to our terms and conditions of sale; normally apply a 25% re-stocking fee on returned items due to buyer error, on this occasion, the director has chosen not to pursue this course as a good will gesture and understands that mistakes can be made but we will not be held liable for transport cost.
We look forward to hearing from you and reaching an amicable resolution swiftly,
Kind regards,
from me
i would suggest you respond and say it is all solved now so i can accept the outcome or they may take it further as it is done online there is no button to cancel it .
Good morning
please accept my apologies for the delay in response as i have unfortunately been ill,
I had spoken with Mario who gave me authority to transfer funds subject to closure of the court case.
I have checked again this morning and this is still the case. on the website there is an option
I.E, if court case is marked as either settled or discontinued today then funds will be transferred to your chosen account immediately.
I am here for the duration of the day but after this i will no be returning to the office until next Wednesday,
if you can, could you please respond as quickly as possible so that we are able to remedy the situation,
Kind regards,
and i replied
Thank you for your response , as you already received the item , the only option is for me to pick is the first one which says "If you advise that the case has been paid, but later find this to be incorrect, you will need to re-instate the claim." or i can just wait and ask for full refund and that would be included the court fee too because of all this trouble and stress been caused to us . i will leave this with you and if we dont receive our money back i will pursue this further ..
his reply
Thank you for your prompt response. Unfortunately, if you would not like to proceed how we have suggested, the situation will more than likely go to court.
By selecting any other option other than those suggested a judgement would be entered against the company,and this is something we are not willing to accept as the error in initial purchase lays on your side.
The item was not returned as soon as you found that you had made this error and instead requested a refund and asked to keep the machine until will sold it again. The Machine was not returned to us until after the court case was initiated. Please bear in mind that if the case is to go to court, our offer of full reimbursement less transport costs will be null and void and therefore our usual terms and conditions of sale will apply, thus implementing that a 25% re-stocking fee will apply as well as the transport cost which we would be legally entitled to claim and will succeed. Our terms of the settlement that we offered will also be noted to the court. We would much rather solve this amicably today and transfer funds but it lays entirely in your hands,
i replied
i cannot mark the case as paid if i am not paid and you suggesting for me to lie and mark as paid or settled, all our conversations and text messages are recorded and it is clear why we was late sending the item back and why all this happened .. i will not lie and mark as paid here because we are not received the money . and i will take my chances with the court if thats your wish . being unreasonable and asking me to lie and make a false statement..
as it is seems there is no proper solution offered from your end ,we are decided we are going ahead with this case as we would want to full amount included in the refund and the charges made by the court , why should we be out of pocket after all it is your companies fault ignored us constantly ,.
---- and today i received the defence letter in court from them says...
Once the machine had been delivered. approximately a few days later, the machine was described by claimant to be of no use as they did not have 3 phase (415v) supply as they thought and would therefore not be able to use the item purchased.
The response to this was that The Catering Shop offered to exchange the machine as a gesture of good will for a different model. Images and specification were exchanged and a number of options provided.
The claimant declined the offer of an exchange machine and requested they remain in possession of both the machine and full refund , and they would keep the machine until the Catering Shop found another Buyer for it and they would then post it from their location . This offfer was not accepted by the Catering Shop and the machine remained in the possesion of the claimant.
Following this scenario. a duration of time passed, and yes it is agreed that there was a lack of communication on behalf of the Catering Shop as the situation become very frustrating by means of a "stale-mate" as felt that a resolution was not possible until the machine was returned at the cost of the claimant.
Since the court documents have been issued, no more than a few days after , the machine has since been returned to the Catering Shop.
There have now been numerous attempts to resolve the matter prior to proceeding to court but have been to no avail.
The Catering Shop now reserves the right of its terms and conditions of sale and offers a refund less the transport cost to claimant and a %25 re-stocking fee complaint with sales of goods act.
i am stuck now dont know how to word a defence for this ,.. any help pls ..
i have ordered a coffee machine over the phone after seeing the advert online . so paid it and delivered after receiving the item noticed it will need 3phase electric which we dont have.. and i have the online advert still saved does not mention the 3phase electricity needed or about the sales T&C , and even on the invoice there was not mentioned T&C about re-stocking fee etc.. anyway after all ask if we can return back. or offered we dont mind keeping here and post to the new buyer if that is would be an option but never heard back ... They did try to sell us different models and makes etc but we didnt like any of them and after that , called few times and left voicemails for call back but they didnt come back , send mails and at the end they ignored and ignored to the point .... when start the money claim online court procedure which i emailed and said i now started the court case and as soon as i started it they started responding ...
well in between all i have send the item back and they did receive it all ok , so there should be no reason to still hold my money should it , ... ! well because of the past i didnt trust them so here how it went ..
from me
Hi There,
We are now going ahead with taking your company to court because we have been ignored constantly emails and sms messages and calls and there is no attention of helping solving this,.
from them same day
Your email has been noted and thank you for the email attachment letter.
Please return the item to our warehouse address that can be found on the footer of this email.
We are unable to adhere to your request of any form of refund while you have the machine remains in your possession.
Kind regards,
The Catering Shop
from me
Thank you for your prompt reply , we will get this posted asap and once we received our money back , we will withdraw our application on moneyclaim.gov.uk
as you advised we've put the machine back on a palette and dispatched it back to your warehouse.
The delivery is due to be with you on the 13th November which is Friday this week. You have received our Solicitors letter. We paid £500 directly into your bank account for this item.
we have now paid carriage both ways. £50 x 2 £100. We are offering to leave the one £50 carriage, but would ask you to pay the return. We believe this is a fair arrangement. Therefore once the machine is back in your keeping this Friday please pay back £550 into our account.
from them
Thank you for your email, we are now in receipt of the returned item.
We are now in receipt of your court action as of today, so are now unsure as how you wish to proceed with the matter?
With regard to payment of postage i am afraid we will have to decline on this occasion and request that this cost be incurred by yourselves.
From our perspective, The item was advertised correctly with the appropriate and representative detail including dimensions, photographs and product capabilities. With all due respect, the error was not on our behalf and we delivered the machine as instructed. I am sure that you agree the error was unfortunately at your end on this occasion.
We also, subject to our terms and conditions of sale; normally apply a 25% re-stocking fee on returned items due to buyer error, on this occasion, the director has chosen not to pursue this course as a good will gesture and understands that mistakes can be made but we will not be held liable for transport cost.
We look forward to hearing from you and reaching an amicable resolution swiftly,
Kind regards,
from me
i would suggest you respond and say it is all solved now so i can accept the outcome or they may take it further as it is done online there is no button to cancel it .
Good morning
please accept my apologies for the delay in response as i have unfortunately been ill,
I had spoken with Mario who gave me authority to transfer funds subject to closure of the court case.
I have checked again this morning and this is still the case. on the website there is an option
I.E, if court case is marked as either settled or discontinued today then funds will be transferred to your chosen account immediately.
I am here for the duration of the day but after this i will no be returning to the office until next Wednesday,
if you can, could you please respond as quickly as possible so that we are able to remedy the situation,
Kind regards,
and i replied
Thank you for your response , as you already received the item , the only option is for me to pick is the first one which says "If you advise that the case has been paid, but later find this to be incorrect, you will need to re-instate the claim." or i can just wait and ask for full refund and that would be included the court fee too because of all this trouble and stress been caused to us . i will leave this with you and if we dont receive our money back i will pursue this further ..
his reply
Thank you for your prompt response. Unfortunately, if you would not like to proceed how we have suggested, the situation will more than likely go to court.
By selecting any other option other than those suggested a judgement would be entered against the company,and this is something we are not willing to accept as the error in initial purchase lays on your side.
The item was not returned as soon as you found that you had made this error and instead requested a refund and asked to keep the machine until will sold it again. The Machine was not returned to us until after the court case was initiated. Please bear in mind that if the case is to go to court, our offer of full reimbursement less transport costs will be null and void and therefore our usual terms and conditions of sale will apply, thus implementing that a 25% re-stocking fee will apply as well as the transport cost which we would be legally entitled to claim and will succeed. Our terms of the settlement that we offered will also be noted to the court. We would much rather solve this amicably today and transfer funds but it lays entirely in your hands,
i replied
i cannot mark the case as paid if i am not paid and you suggesting for me to lie and mark as paid or settled, all our conversations and text messages are recorded and it is clear why we was late sending the item back and why all this happened .. i will not lie and mark as paid here because we are not received the money . and i will take my chances with the court if thats your wish . being unreasonable and asking me to lie and make a false statement..
as it is seems there is no proper solution offered from your end ,we are decided we are going ahead with this case as we would want to full amount included in the refund and the charges made by the court , why should we be out of pocket after all it is your companies fault ignored us constantly ,.
---- and today i received the defence letter in court from them says...
Once the machine had been delivered. approximately a few days later, the machine was described by claimant to be of no use as they did not have 3 phase (415v) supply as they thought and would therefore not be able to use the item purchased.
The response to this was that The Catering Shop offered to exchange the machine as a gesture of good will for a different model. Images and specification were exchanged and a number of options provided.
The claimant declined the offer of an exchange machine and requested they remain in possession of both the machine and full refund , and they would keep the machine until the Catering Shop found another Buyer for it and they would then post it from their location . This offfer was not accepted by the Catering Shop and the machine remained in the possesion of the claimant.
Following this scenario. a duration of time passed, and yes it is agreed that there was a lack of communication on behalf of the Catering Shop as the situation become very frustrating by means of a "stale-mate" as felt that a resolution was not possible until the machine was returned at the cost of the claimant.
Since the court documents have been issued, no more than a few days after , the machine has since been returned to the Catering Shop.
There have now been numerous attempts to resolve the matter prior to proceeding to court but have been to no avail.
The Catering Shop now reserves the right of its terms and conditions of sale and offers a refund less the transport cost to claimant and a %25 re-stocking fee complaint with sales of goods act.
i am stuck now dont know how to word a defence for this ,.. any help pls ..
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we bought it for our business actually to put in our office.. so invoice is under our business name.
Thanks so much0 -
Is this a business transaction?
Is the retailer agreeing to refund you if you cancel your claim? I couldn't be bothered to plough through all the text ...0 -
Yes it is
and he did say to choose the option on site as settled but i didnt trust that he would send our money back.. and says on the site , if you click this you cannot start this claim again if its not paid after..0 -
we bought it for our business actually to put in our office.. so invoice is under our business name.
Thanks so much
You have less rights as a business purchaser. Though you do have the right to expect the retailer to do what they set out in their terms and conditions.
If the appliance was as described then it sounds from what the retailer has said that they only need to refund you 75% of the purchase price.
If you don't wish to accept their offer I think they are saying you need to purse court action.
How confident are you that the contract agrees with your view of what should happen now?
Reading the correspondence it sounds like the retailer is confident they can show they have acted reasonably (even generously) compared to their terms and conditions. So I suggest you need to be equally confident they have not, before going ahead with court action.0 -
You have less rights as a business purchaser. Though you do have the right to expect the retailer to do what they set out in their terms and conditions.
If the appliance was as described then it sounds from what the retailer has said that they only need to refund you 75% of the purchase price.
If you don't wish to accept their offer I think they are saying you need to purse court action.
How confident are you that the contract agrees with your view of what should happen now?
Reading the correspondence it sounds like the retailer is confident they can show they have acted reasonably (even generously) compared to their terms and conditions. So I suggest you need to be equally confident they have not, before going ahead with court action.
They have offered full refund excluding the transit costs - unless it goes to court where they will remove that option.
OP you need to close the case based on payment. Trust the system, they are offering - to be honest you are sounding like you dont trust them at all when its you that has been in the wrong.
The resolution they are offering is very generous on a B2B transaction.
Take it and stop messing around.0 -
They have offered full refund excluding the transit costs - unless it goes to court where they will remove that option.
OP you need to close the case based on payment. Trust the system, they are offering - to be honest you are sounding like you dont trust them at all when its you that has been in the wrong.
The resolution they are offering is very generous on a B2B transaction.
Take it and stop messing around.
Would the op not be best ensuring they have actually received payment before closing the case?
I suggest the op writes to the supplier saying he is willing to accept £x as full and final settlement of his claim. Provided this is received by [date] he will withdraw the case.
That gives the retailer the assurance they need that the op won't just accept the offer as part payment and proceed with court action for the rest.0 -
It's a business transaction so you have no consumer rights and need to read the contract. With no T&C's then contract law applies.
It's down to you a business who is held above a consumer to do your own due diligence when making purchases. You have no distance sales rights and whilst they can accept the return they are allowed to charge a restocking fee as well as with hold any postage costs.
Any court claim would fail, you have to accept that you are wrong and read a bit about B2B transactions.0 -
Thank you so much for all your kind answers , what happens if i try to defend and fail , will i lose all money ?0
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Yes unless the company remains as generous as they have been and still allows you to return it for full (or even 25%reduced) refund and without transport costs.0
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