Can 15 hours work and 10/15 hours course stop you being put on Community placement

xapprenticex

Gotta love the straw clutching fable telling amateur forum based solicitors round here. Make me chuckle every time.

Londonsu

sangie595 wrote: »

Hmm. Rubbish. Public liability, which is a legal requirement under any circumstances, covers it. But great myth. You should never believe the 'word'. It's usually wrong.

Red devil knows that he/she has posted that twaddle before and I posted this

You may not be covered by employers’ liability insurance if you are a volunteer or:


a student working unpaid;■■
not employed, but taking part in a youth or adult training programme; or■■
a school student on a work experience programme.■■


In practice, insurers will usually cover such cases under an existing employers’ liability policy. If you are in one of these situations you should ask the person you are working for whether their insurance covers you. The advice given to employers is that there is generally no need to inform their insurer if they take on any of the above people. However, employers should talk to their insurer or insurance broker if they take on these people either for long periods, or to do work that is not the company’s usual business, and employers should also bear in mind the level of risk the people may be exposed to during the time they are working for the company


I also told him at the time that volunteers are covered by the same rules as work placement IE NORMALLY covered by public liability insurance. And since I run a charity shop I actually do know what I am talking about

patman99

Not all employer liabilty insurance policies are the same. The op would need to ask the question just to clarify the situation.

It is better to alert the CWP/MWP placement provider to any potential issue than for them to find out a very expensive lesson should the CWP/MWP person have an accident and do the correct thing and make a claim via a no-win, no-fee firm.

Sharon87

I would definitely ask whether you would be covered under their insurance, because if not they could be in trouble if you hurt yourself due to the company's negligence.

I think getting volunteer work is good to help you gain experience but I'm not sure about these programmes, 6 months is a really long time!

If it helps you gain new skills it will be a good thing, but if it ends up being like the work programme - working for free doing menial tasks that is part of the business, then that's not right as that's 1 less job out there for job seekers!

Londonsu

patman99 wrote: »

Not all employer liabilty insurance policies are the same. The op would need to ask the question just to clarify the situation.

It is better to alert the CWP/MWP placement provider to any potential issue than for them to find out a very expensive lesson should the CWP/MWP person have an accident and do the correct thing and make a claim via a no-win, no-fee firm.

That's why the law requires me and every other employer to display their insurance details on a notice board.

There would be no reason for any volunteer or CWP/MWP person to have an accident if they have the correct health and safety inductions follow health and safety procedures, and receive proper training in equipment, I don't use mandatory workers but I know the procedures to follow if I did. I have to follow strict rules, it's my job to do so

red_devil

its not twaddle its true. Charities are only insured for genuine volunteers not workfare conscripts.

If I am wrong then the charity will have no objection to providing the document as proof. Its peoples right to ask to see they are correctly insured. Charities must also provide suitable kitchen facilities for people if they are there all day like access to a fridge to keep lunch in. Access to kitchen facilities etc.

Read the Boycott Workfare website also for more information on CWP. 6 months working for no pay is more punishment than a criminal gets. There is little evidence it finds anyone a job either. Thankfully from March it will be scrapped.

red_devil

Londonsu wrote: »

That's why the law requires me and every other employer to display their insurance details on a notice board.

There would be no reason for any volunteer or CWP/MWP person to have an accident if they have the correct health and safety inductions follow health and safety procedures, and receive proper training in equipment, I don't use mandatory workers but I know the procedures to follow if I did. I have to follow strict rules, it's my job to do so

its not just about accidents, there are issues like a fire also.

I don't know about the charities but the providers are lax on health and safety issues at their premises. They don't even tell people the basics like how to get out incase of a fire. They are only interested in getting the money from the Government and sanctioning people sadly.

Londonsu

red_devil wrote: »

its not twaddle its true. Charities are only insured for genuine volunteers not workfare conscripts.

If I am wrong then the charity will have no objection to providing the document as proof. Its peoples right to ask to see they are correctly insured. Charities must also provide suitable kitchen facilities for people if they are there all day like access to a fridge to keep lunch in. Access to kitchen facilities etc.

Read the Boycott Workfare website also for more information on CWP. 6 months working for no pay is more punishment than a criminal gets. There is little evidence it finds anyone a job either. Thankfully from March it will be scrapped.

You are totally wrong




Read my last post again volunteers and people on work placements/work experience are not automatically covered but in practise usually are, just as I as a paid member of staff am USUALLY covered by the insurance unless I do something to negate that insurance.


I work with volunteers, I train volunteers, I know exactly what the public liability insurance covers I have had training on it its part of my JOB


You may not be covered by employers’ liability insurance if you are a volunteer or:


a student working unpaid;■■
not employed, but taking part in a youth or adult training programme; or■■
a school student on a work experience programme.■■

In practice, insurers will usually cover such cases under an existing employers’ liability policy. If you are in one of these situations you should ask the person you are working for whether their insurance covers you. The advice given to employers is that there is generally no need to inform their insurer if they take on any of the above people. However, employers should talk to their insurer or insurance broker if they take on these people either for long periods, or to do work that is not the company’s usual business, and employers should also bear in mind the level of risk the people may be exposed to during the time they are working for the company

Londonsu

red_devil wrote: »

its not just about accidents, there are issues like a fire also.

I don't know about the charities but the providers are lax on health and safety issues at their premises. They don't even tell people the basics like how to get out incase of a fire. They are only interested in getting the money from the Government and sanctioning people sadly.

What????? of course a health and safety inductions covers fire procedures, the location of fire exits, how the alarm sounds, the muster point all covered by a good induction

red_devil

Londonsu wrote: »

What????? of course a health and safety inductions covers fire procedures, the location of fire exits, how the alarm sounds, the muster point all covered by a good induction

people don't always get them?