Driving an Irish Registered Car in NI

Prothet_of_Doom

On a related point :

How long can a German Citizen, working in the UK on a UK contract for a UK company paying UK taxes, use her German registered car, TUV'd, taxed and insured in germany, before getting it UK registered ?

3, 4, or 5 years ?

AdrianC

Sounds like she's a UK resident. Six months if she isn't.

melanzana

OP

Hope you have a great time in ROI. The Guinness is good, the people are great, the scenery is fab.

Come on over. You will be fine driving a rental anywhere in the island of Ireland. Check small costs for cross border returns.

And you get so many more Euros for your Pound. Lucky things.....

Great time to go anywhere in Euroland now.

bowlhead99

AdrianC wrote: »

OK, here's the 1968 Vienna convention.

http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/conventn/Conv_road_traffic_EN.pdf

Which bit says what you claim?

To recap, Iceweasel said,

"As far as the UK temporary importation concession regards foreign registered vehicles driven by foreign tourists is concerned, a UK resident cannot be considered a 'tourist'."

I said that was entirely irrelevant to me, as I wasn't claiming to be a foreign resident driving my foreign registered vehicle as a tourist.

I noted that the concession to which he referred - which allows EU people to bring their EU car to the UK temporarily without registering - was a concession that has been in place since Vienna '68. It is as old as the hills and everyone knows it. I said:

The concession on non-residents bringing THEIR car to the UK - negotiated under Chapter III of the Convention on Road Traffic at Vienna on 8th November 1968 and pretty much been there in the same form ever since - permits non-residents, such as tourists, people visiting businesses, friends or family etc. to use their vehicle on UK Roads without the need to re-register it here...

If you read the pdf you linked from page 4 (definitions) to page 7(obligations of the contracting parties) you will learn the definition of 'international traffic' and that a car owned by a person in the EC in 1968 was allowed to temporarily import it into the UK without registering it in the UK, and the UK would be bound to admit the car to its territories (subject to various conditions set out in the convention) although after a certain period of time the UK could cease to regard the vehicle as being in international traffic and kick it out or demand it register.

Ergo, the 'concession' that Iceweasel mentions which allows an Irishman to bring his Irishcar or Frenchman to bring his Frenchcar to the UK and out again without it being deemed an import that needs registering, is one that has existed for almost half a century. It is not rocket science and the later directive which you found basically continues the concession.

Straight after my comment that his concession for foreign tourists bringing their own car to the UK was as old as the hills, I pointed out that he was barking up the wrong tree anyway because,

,However, I am not a non resident seeking to use their vehicle here. I am a resident seeking to use someone else's vehicle here.

So, we are done with talking about a concession that the EU, formerly the EC, makes the UK grant to Irish or French tourists to let them in on their visits. Iceweasel's question on whether or not I am a "tourist" or an "foreign tourist" by dictionary definitions or tax definitions is off the mark because I am not looking to rely on being an Irish tourist visiting UK. I am quite factually not an Irish or French tourist temporarily visiting the UK claiming safe passage for MY Irish or French car. I do not own an Irish or French car and I am not Irish or French.

What I would like to do is simply drive a car which is owned by - and registered to - a company in another EU state and leased to me, temporarily in the UK, before returning it.

I am allowed to do this because the EU and its member states are very supportive of the free movement of people, goods and services throughout the EU and it would be a significant restraint on trade if an EU car rental firm were only allowed to let its Ireland resident customers rent a car in Dublin and drive it to Belfast for the day and back, while its UK resident customers were NOT allowed to rent a car in Dublin and drive it to Belfast for the day and back because a national law prevented it.

As I mentioned,

UK residents (of whatever nationality) are not generally entitled to use foreign registered cars on UK roads unless they are covered by an exception. One such exception applies to those who lease an EU-registered car owned by an EU-registered company and use it temporarily in the UK. Another example would be if I had an EU employer and was driving an EU-registered company car temporarily in the UK. Both are fine.

melanzana

Good Lord.

OP was Renting a car in ROI.

Open another thread for anything other than that.

Nerds.

Iceweasel

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

On a related point :

How long can a German Citizen, working in the UK on a UK contract for a UK company paying UK taxes, use her German registered car, TUV'd, taxed and insured in germany, before getting it UK registered ?

3, 4, or 5 years ?

If they are in paid employment they become a UK resident and must tax,register and insure their car here in the UK immediately.

Have a search for 'Operation Jessica' - the police are currently catching loads of UK resident foreign passport holders who work in the UK and have not registered their foreign vehicles.

bowlhead99

AdrianC wrote: »

bowlhead99 wrote: »

AdrianC wrote: »

b seems to say that a foreign-registered hire car temporarily-imported to the UK explicitly cannot be used by a UK resident. It goes on with an exemption for staff returning it from a one-way hire to the country of origin, but that's not relevant here.

No, (b) is saying that under the temporary importation regulations that allow an EU resident to bring their EU car to the UK for half a year without taxing it, they cannot dispose of it here or hire it out here or lend it to the local residents here.

Correct. It's saying that the person who temporarily imported it - who (a) says must be a non-resident - can't then hire or lend it to a resident. So there's no claiming that it was temporarily imported in the line of business, and you're just using it here.

:rotfl: One has to laugh, otherwise would be crying.

I am not the non-resident person in (a), because I am not non-resident at all, so I am certainly not a non resident person who has brought it into the UK and then hired it to a resident. And nor am I someone who as a resident has waited for a non resident to bring it into the UK and then rented it from them. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Cheers

melanzana

Motoring forum is full of idiots pretending to be wise.

OP was blanked before the know alls came out to play about something that was totally unrelated.

Anyway, come on over, the euro is weak, sterling is strong, loadsa dough for you and a great welcome.

But it might be safer to rent a car in Slovenia by now. LOL.