Should solar users in receipt of FIT be encouraged onto Green Tarrifs?

MFW_ASAP

thenudeone wrote: »

IIRC only about 1% of the public are on a "green" tariff, yet around 20% of UK energy is produced by renewables.
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/chart/proportion-total-electricity-generated-renewable-fuel-sources-uk

Renewable energy use has risen to 20% mainly by government policy directly or indirectly forcing producers to use Renewables.

If you are with a standard supplier and decide to switch to a green tariff, all that will happen is that they will hypothetically earmark some of their existing Renewable supply as going to you.

The supplier can truthfully say that 100% of your energy is Renewable, but the total amount or proportion of UK energy produced by Renewables doesn't change at all as a result of you having a green tariff.
In some cases some vague commitment to investing in Renewables may be made, but in most cases the higher price you pay simply makes more profit for the electricity supplier.

This is probably the case at the moment, but if more people went onto green tariffs, eventually the energy company would run out of renewable supply they could earmark and would have to then buy in more from rival companies (which would cost them more) or generate more themselves.

[Deleted User]

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

This is probably the case at the moment, but if more people went onto green tariffs, eventually the energy company would run out of renewable supply they could earmark and would have to then buy in more from rival companies (which would cost them more) or generate more themselves.

Yeah, sounds about as 'green' as my Golf BlueMotion...

MFW_ASAP

jeepjunkie wrote: »

Yeah, sounds about as 'green' as my Golf BlueMotion...

Which is a lot greener than cars from the 70s/80s. You can't go from a V6 mustang to fully electric car overnight, you move in that direction by creating laws and favourable taxation that encourage people into a particular direction.....

Cardew

thenudeone wrote: »

IIRC only about 1% of the public are on a "green" tariff, yet around 20% of UK energy is produced by renewables.
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/chart/proportion-total-electricity-generated-renewable-fuel-sources-uk

Renewable energy use has risen to 20% mainly by government policy directly or indirectly forcing producers to use Renewables.

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With respect, you are referring to 'Electricity' not 'energy'.

I have Gas CH, a log fire and drive a petrol car;)

tunnel

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

You can't go from a V6 mustang to fully electric car overnight, you move in that direction by creating laws and favourable taxation that encourage people into a particular direction.....

That sounds surprisingly similar to solar and the FiT and yet you seem so against that.

MFW_ASAP

tunnel wrote: »

That sounds surprisingly similar to solar and the FiT and yet you seem so against that.

Does it? How strange. I didn't mention FIT in that sentence at all and yet you 'heard' it. Do you hear other things that no one else does? Like voices....

tunnel

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Does it? How strange. I didn't mention FIT in that sentence at all and yet you 'heard' it.

No, I heard laws and favourable taxation.
Now wouldn't it be ironic if only the very well off could take advantage of those favourable taxation benefits that could encourage them to move in a particular direction, I know I couldn't and yet I could afford solar....go figure?

MFW_ASAP

tunnel wrote: »

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Does it? How strange. I didn't mention FIT in that sentence at all and yet you 'heard' it.

No, I heard laws and favourable taxation.
Now wouldn't it be ironic if only the very well off could take advantage of those favourable taxation benefits that could encourage them to move in a particular direction, I know I couldn't and yet I could afford solar....go figure?

Glad to hear that you can afford solar. Many people can't yet have to pay for it regardless....

Interesting how people installing solar seem to be up in arms at the thought of supporting a gren policy if it actually costs THEM money, yet expect everyone else to support their solar. Very interesting.

EricMears

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Glad to hear that you can afford solar. Many people can't yet have to pay for it regardless.....

Anyone can afford solar - if they approach a rent-a-roof company (if it's their own house) or suggest to their landlord(s) that they might like to buy the panels or contact a RaR company. Either way, they'll get more than enough 'free' electricity to more than cover the small 'green levy' that every bill payer has to pay towards all non-fossil fuel technologies.

MFW_ASAP

EricMears wrote: »

Anyone can afford solar - if they approach a rent-a-roof company (if it's their own house).

Had to stop you there. I can imagine that on the closeted, cosy world of the Green and Ethical board, everyone has their own home and is employed with a reliable income. In the real world, not many do. A lot of people live in apartment blocks (either rented or otherwise), a lot rent their accommodation and have landlords who struggle to even get gas checks, fix leaky rooms let alone fit solar panels. Some people have homes but the mortgage companies don't allow them to fit 'rent a roof' solar and some people have their own homes and don't want to fit 'rent a roof' solar as it makes it difficult to sell a house (see mortgage issue) and it depreciates their house value way below the small savings they make on their electricity bills.

No much better for those 'green' souls, the beloved solar panel owners to do their bit and help promote renewals WITHOUT EXPECTING A CASH HANDOUT IN RETURN!

I'll not hold my breath! :rotfl: :rotfl: