Using a non-registered electrician?

chappers

macman wrote: »

No competent electrician will certify work done by someone else, because it is not possible to see 100% of what has been done or not done, since so much of the install is not visible. The person who signs the work off will be legally responsible for any deficiencies.
This has no bearing on the competence or otherwise of the person carrying out the work.

But we all know it happens, a guy who does a fair bit of my sparks worked self employed for 20 odd years and was part p registered until an accident stopped him from driving. he has now taken a job in a factory and works on stuff that I wouldn't dare look at, let alone touch, the guy who was his apprentice signs his work off.

TheCyclingProgrammer wrote: »

What work are you having done? All electrical work falls under Part P of the building regs, but very little is actually notifiable to building control these days. The stuff that is notifiable is:



Note that in England special locations no longer includes kitchens but the key thing is regardless of the work being notifiable, the work should be undertaken by a competent person. Depending on the work, this could be a competent DIYer or it could be a qualified electrician. A "Part P registered" electrician just means they can certify work and notify building control for you without you having to involve building control directly.

I'm guessing that you need work doing in a bathroom/shower room? Even work in these locations are necessarily notifiable if they fall outside the special zones.

A kitchen may not be a special location but works are still notifiable and whilst outside might not be a special location, most outside works are deemed a special installation and are therefore also notifiable.
If carrying out notifiable works a competent person is also clearly defined as someone who can test and comply to BS7671

brightontraveller

orionmoo wrote: »

My father in law has a BSc and two MScs in electrical engineering and deals regularly in significant electrical high voltage cables as his job as chief engineer at a university. He is not Part P registered as he does not like the idea of his name being on a council list somewhere open for the taking, and instead he gets a Part P registered colleague to sign off all work.

We'll be electrifying a garden shed in the new year in our back garden and I'd certainly trust him to do the work to a much higher standard than some local lecyy out to make a quick quid. I'm sure I read on one of the planning portal building regs docs that if it isn't a Part P registered person doing the electrical work, the person simply needs to prove they are a "competent person". If they don't accept three degrees as a measure of competence then it's gotta be all about the $$ with them...

"Chief engineer" In context of HV? I’ve heard of
Designated Person, Duty Holder, Authorising Engineer (HV),
Authorised Person (HV), Duty Authorised Person (HV)
Competent Person (HV)
Or they under "Management" which is normally defined as the owner, occupier, employer, general manager etc Never heard of "Management" ever doing the HV?
I know coast guard, navy etc have “chief engineer" is he a sailor

Because someone can fly a Jet doesn’t mean they can a kite….
:rotfl:

brightontraveller

edinburgher wrote: »

We're currently getting quotes for electrical work in our home and we've asked for registered electricians as some of the work will probably come under Part P.

One of the guys quoting has said that he isn't registered, but that he uses someone registered with Select to check his work.

Appreciating that getting things done right is my responsibility:

• Is this above board?
• Is the work likely to be to the same standard as an electrician who is registered with NICEIC/Select himself?
• Would you hire them?

We already have two NICEIC-registered electricians quoting and I don't want to unfairly discount this guy if this is common practice.

Thoughts?

• Is this above board? "Yes "
• Is the work likely to be to the same standard as an electrician who is registered with NICEIC/Select himself? "Anyone's guess "
• Would you hire them? "Probably not "

Some governing body allows members to sign non members works , Really the “Part P” scheme is on its !!!!?

Some authorities insist on certification by members of approved schemes many you could give them a shopping list as long as they have no liability they’d accept it… Membership alone of anything doesn’t mean works will be done well, safely etc ditto non membership?

A problem would be if “electrician” does works you need certification for and there “friend” did not sign it off ? Responsibility for compliance falls on householder and you might find you’ve paid all the money and there “friend” never turns up…..

TheCyclingProgrammer

zax47 wrote: »

You appreciate Part P applies to England and Wales only, yes? <apparently not>

Scotland requires the work be done by a person/company registered with SELECT.

Yes I am thanks. OP has not confirmed where they are from.

TheCyclingProgrammer

chappers wrote: »

A kitchen may not be a special location but works are still notifiable

Only if a new circuit is required. Likewise for outside, if it's an alteration to an existing circuit it's not notifiable in England (with a few special exception like solar panels).

zax47

TheCyclingProgrammer wrote: »

Yes I am thanks. OP has not confirmed where they are from.

Ok, but they are called "edinburgher" and mention SELECT (which no-one outside Scotland has heard of ) - good assumption it's Scotland, no?

edinburgher

Sorry, in Scotland, various works (most minor (light switches etc.), but we do need a new consumer unit.

If Part P isn't applicable, can someone provide a link to the relevant guidance/regulations please?

The guy disappeared as soon as I asked him to confirm his mate's details (i.e. the person who was supposed to be checking the work). Can't say I'm surprised.

zax47

edinburgher wrote: »

Sorry, in Scotland, various works (most minor (light switches etc.), but we do need a new consumer unit.

If Part P isn't applicable, can someone provide a link to the relevant guidance/regulations please?

The guy disappeared as soon as I asked him to confirm his mate's details (i.e. the person who was supposed to be checking the work). Can't say I'm surprised.

Just check on the SELECT site; http://www.select.org.uk/

http://www.select.org.uk/for-the-public/faq/

WannaBLoaded

It is common to have other electricians sign off other electricians work, especially when they know each other well. If there are problems with the work, the test picks it up so it can be rectified, therefore there isn't much of a worry for an electrician to sign of work he has not done. If you are worried about getting certification, don't make your final payment until you have it.

ilikewatch

Whilst it may be fairly common practice and completely acceptable for a tradesman to get someone to sign off their work from a regulatory perspective, I wouldn't recommend it, and here's why:

A few years ago I had a recently retired electrician do a full rewire for me - he had 40 years experience and his work appears to be done to a very high standard. The problem arose with the guy who was doing the signing off, he had his own business and was busy with that during the day, so preferred to come in the evenings to check the work. It was an absolute PITA - jobs had to be left half done until he could come to check the initial work, chases couldn't be plastered in until he'd checked the wiring behind, ceilings couldn't be replaced, flooring couldn't be laid. All these delays massively impacted on the other trades on site, and the small savings made by using an unregistered electrician were wiped out by the cost of the delays.