School Holiday Fines

foxster99

Shannon71 wrote: »

My daughter always has the last three days off in December for our cheap Disney Paris holiday, she has autism and this is door to door, I can't go away in summer its to crowded and yet I am threatened this year if we go with a fine, its so unfair as she will be at school messing about or watching DVDs

You need to think carefully about priorities and setting an example.

If you show your child now that seeing a man in a mouse costume is more important than an education then you really shouldn't be surprised at her behaviour in school and the poor results she achieves in year 11 when she has learnt from you that school is not important.

maman

foxster99 wrote: »

You need to think carefully about priorities and setting an example.

If you show your child now that seeing a man in a mouse costume is more important than an education then you really shouldn't be surprised at her behaviour in school and the poor results she achieves in year 11 when she has learnt from you that school is not important.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Love it!


Someone will probably be along shortly to tell us it's educational, bien sur.;)

svain

foxster99 wrote: »

You need to think carefully about priorities and setting an example.

If you show your child now that seeing a man in a mouse costume is more important than an education then you really shouldn't be surprised at her behaviour in school and the poor results she achieves in year 11 when she has learnt from you that school is not important.

Blimey .... now thats a bit of over thinking :rotfl:

foxster99

svain wrote: »

Blimey .... now thats a bit of over thinking :rotfl:

Actually - no.

Working in a school, I have firsthand experience of this kind of thing and can tell you that those that do well by the time they finish are those with parents who recognise the worth of a full education and who shove their children out the door and off to school no matter what.

The students with a don't-give-a-damn attitude and/or who don't achieve as well as they could are those whose parents show their children that school is not a priority.

Now, I get that some parents genuinely don't prioritise school. Maybe they had a bad experience there themselves, or just aren't too smart, or enjoy a laid-back lifestyle, or whatever. But that will have consequences and their children are statistically less likely to achieve the academic results of other students, which again might not seem important to some parents but it does pre-guess that this low-aspiration lifestyle is what their children want to have too when they are older.

FBaby

If you show your child now that seeing a man in a mouse costume is more important than an education

That...or.... being exposed to a different language, learning about time if going on the train, different road signs, if driving. Maybe helping reading a map, memorising parking rows.

It's amazing the things you can learn out of the classroom if you put your mind to it. It's amazing how teachers think that only their teaching is worthy of education.

Now that there might be a correlation between poor parenting and learning done outside of school, and poor attitude to school, I wouldn't doubt it, but to assume that ALL parents who take their kids out of school couldn't possibly be providing valuable educational skills to their kids is either a very arrogant view, or that coming from undervalued teachers who feel they need to attack parents to make themselves feel better about their worthiness.

It's has nothing to do with not prioritising school, it's about accepting that some flexibility in a rigid system is not going to ruin the future of our children.

ps: Please to report that DD who missed school for the purpose of fun holidays about 4 times in her educational life is a Head girl at her 6th form and is expected 3 A*s and 1 A at her A levels. Worse, she wasn't breastfed either! Got to love statistics!!

maman

maman wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Love it!


Someone will probably be along shortly to tell us it's educational, bien sur.;)

FBaby wrote: »

That...or.... being exposed to a different language, learning about time if going on the train, different road signs, if driving. Maybe helping reading a map, memorising parking rows.

It's amazing the things you can learn out of the classroom if you put your mind to it. It's amazing how teachers think that only their teaching is worthy of education.

Now that there might be a correlation between poor parenting and learning done outside of school, and poor attitude to school, I wouldn't doubt it, but to assume that ALL parents who take their kids out of school couldn't possibly be providing valuable educational skills to their kids is either a very arrogant view, or that coming from undervalued teachers who feel they need to attack parents to make themselves feel better about their worthiness.

It's has nothing to do with not prioritising school, it's about accepting that some flexibility in a rigid system is not going to ruin the future of our children.

ps: Please to report that DD who missed school for the purpose of fun holidays about 4 times in her educational life is a Head girl at her 6th form and is expected 3 A*s and 1 A at her A levels. Worse, she wasn't breastfed either! Got to love statistics!!

You'll always find exceptions to every rule but in general terms, parents who teach their children (consciously or otherwise) that school rules are there to be ignored won't do as well as those with parents who support the school policies.


Whatever justifications are put forward, it almost always comes down to money. Parents want a cheaper holiday and can't cope with delayed gratification by saving up for a bit longer to go in the school holidays.


I think you'll find they don't stop speaking French in France in August nor do they remove the road signs.

FBaby

You'll always find exceptions to every rule but in general terms, parents who teach their children (consciously or otherwise) that school rules are there to be ignored won't do as well as those with parents who support the school policies.

Exceptions or not, it's not great to be teaching kids that it is ok to make assumptions on individuals because of how the majority acts.

In this case, we have no idea at all whether Shannon's daughter is missing out and it is unfair to assume that she is from what has been written.

I think you'll find they don't stop speaking French in France in August nor do they remove the road signs

Of course it's about money, and often it can mean being able to go then or not at all.

Saying that, in my case, it was never about the money.

foxster99

FBaby wrote: »

That...or.... being exposed to a different language, learning about time if going on the train, different road signs, if driving. Maybe helping reading a map, memorising parking rows.

Seriously?
There might be some small amount of life-skill stuff learnt by going to Disney. Will it stand a child in better stead than missed lessons later in GCSE, A-level or the vast majority of degree courses? No.
And, of course, you can have the best of both worlds by sending your children to school in term-time and soaking up Disney in the 1/4 of a year of school holidays.

ps: Please to report that DD who missed school for the purpose of fun holidays about 4 times in her educational life is a Head girl at her 6th form and is expected 3 A*s and 1 A at her A levels. Worse, she wasn't breastfed either! Got to love statistics!!

And there lies the problem. One or two people say (or make up) something like this and then this is what those seeking to justify their need for a cheap tan want to hear. They think those who work in education are somehow making up all they have learnt from years of experience and from their own school's statistics for some bizarre sadistic reason to be evil to children and their parents.

maman

foxster99 wrote: »

And, of course, you can have the best of both worlds by sending your children to school in term-time and soaking up Disney in the 1/4 of a year of school holidays.

Now that's a novel idea!:D

sulphate

FBaby wrote: »

ps: Please to report that DD who missed school for the purpose of fun holidays about 4 times in her educational life is a Head girl at her 6th form and is expected 3 A*s and 1 A at her A levels. Worse, she wasn't breastfed either! Got to love statistics!!

I think one of the biggest mistakes parents make during the course of their child's education is assuming that their grades are the only things that matter.