Earning While on JSA

eslade

HappyMJ wrote: »

A non paying parent can go to jail if they refuse to pay a court ordered amount.

The problem in this case is the paying parent is declaring a very low or NIL income which would create a liability of just £7 per week. Any sensible paying parent would pay that to avoid the possible sanctions. As the paying parent is on benefits the paying parent's benefit can be used to pay the receiving parent and the paying parent would never be at risk of a prison term.

Prison is used for non paying parents with a self employed income that refuse to hand any of it over and don't have money in the bank and there is no other means of enforcement that can be used against them.

blondebubbles wrote: »

No, HMRC would be responsible for checking that the income and expenses where genuine and declared correctly.

Whether the person is entitled to JSA is up to DWP.

I wonder, do they randomly check people then? I don't imagine he will have kept receipts. There is something amiss with some of the expenses. The two evenings he works are in the next town along, and only during term time. He has accounted £800 in petrol for these two short journeys.

eslade

blondebubbles wrote: »

Yes they do. However as the personal allowance is £10,600 they'd need to prove that £13,600 of his expenses aren't genuine for any tax to be due.

£20 per week might be fine (£800/39weeks), it depends on how far the journey is and any other business travel through the year. On HMRC approved mileage rates that's be about 45 miles a week for any business travel.

And someone using that £10,600 personal allowance would not be eligible for Job Seeker's Allowance too.

SnooksNJ

paragon909 wrote: »

I believe Britain should adopt the America approach to Child maintenance, We seemed to have adopted everything else.

Like parents going to jail if they don't pay, They lose their driving licence until the pay up. Or have their wages garnished (which i think they do in the UK) But not to self employed people because they aren't classed as employed.

It's amazing how back child support suddenly appears after the dead beat parent spends a weekend in the Days Inn run by the State.

fishybusiness

I'm wondering how you have such a full picture of his finances, even accounts for a ltd are not as detailed as you report.

konark

I suspect fraud on a number of levels.

Does he repair lifts?

He spends lavishly on the children when he takes them out.

What a b*stard!

eslade

fishybusiness wrote: »

I'm wondering how you have such a full picture of his finances, even accounts for a ltd are not as detailed as you report.

We are due in court shortly to settle the finances as part of the divorce. Each party is to give a full disclosure of all income, assets, expenditure, copies of bank statements. Before we were due to file these with the court, his solicitor sent a copy of his accounts to my solicitor and asked to agree a settlement without disclosing everything else.

harryish

He sounds like a crook to me, have you tried sitting down with him and exposing him?

fishybusiness

We are due in court shortly to settle the finances as part of the divorce. Each party is to give a full disclosure of all income, assets, expenditure, copies of bank statements. Before we were due to file these with the court, his solicitor sent a copy of his accounts to my solicitor and asked to agree a settlement without disclosing everything else.

Ah, makes more sense now.

It doesn't sound right that he would use the system to make a loss each year, whilst on benefits, seems quite a destructive thing to do. He may have staff doing most of the work, and he coordinates his clients needs and ensures work is completed.

Regarding having money to spend on the kids, he may use his business to extract cash to spend on them, tbh I would probably do the same.

I guess the bottom line is what do you want from him at this point. Obviously fair and regular maintenance payments come high up the list.

I'm thinking if you push too hard someone may look in to his affairs and stop his business or his benefits. Either way it would lower his income streams and he will loose out, as will your children.

No money = no transport, no spoiling the kids, etc etc.

HappyMJ

fishybusiness wrote: »

Ah, makes more sense now.

It doesn't sound right that he would use the system to make a loss each year, whilst on benefits, seems quite a destructive thing to do. He may have staff doing most of the work, and he coordinates his clients needs and ensures work is completed.

Regarding having money to spend on the kids, he may use his business to extract cash to spend on them, tbh I would probably do the same.

I guess the bottom line is what do you want from him at this point. Obviously fair and regular maintenance payments come high up the list.

I'm thinking if you push too hard someone may look in to his affairs and stop his business or his benefits. Either way it would lower his income streams and he will loose out, as will your children.

No money = no transport, no spoiling the kids, etc etc.

Kids won't lose out by much, if anything.

HMRC will not force him to shut down his self employment. They can only force a company to be liquidated moving his work out of a company and into a sole trader status.

DWP can stop his benefit but I'm sure if he's got a gross income before expenses of (I'm betting a conservative figure of) £20,000 he can adjust his work to do the work himself rather than employ freelance workers to do the work for him...which if I were a cynic I think he really does that himself and has a mate invoicing him to appear that he has an expense.

RAS

He also needs to be registered to pay pension contributions http://www.thepensionsregulator.gov.uk/en/employers even if none of the employees end up being entitled.