New Build, wont have full access to garden after moving in

marksoton

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

:eek::eek:_pale_ - Crikey....is that even legal?:eek::eek:

Mygawd - some of these developers are taking the Michael a bit aren't they? Sounds like my "You learn something new every day" moment for the day...:cool:

I would agree that carpeting/vinyl is an "upgrade" personally - ie the house itself doesn't need it. But the house itself does need sewage dealt with and a garden that will suffice for the time being (ie rather than being bare earth - or what OP is having to put up with).

Speaking to the site manager it's not uncommon, but the NHBC will only allow so many dwellings to be occupied before a permanent pumping station is built.

It's more the fact developers tend to build from the outside in. Meaning people who move in first have construction traffic passing them every day for a considerable length of time. This one still has a year to go!

As far as i'm concerned you'd be mad to purchase on that basis.

OP, the developer is as others have pointed out taking the proverbial on land YOU will own.

What i would say is i wouldn't want turfing taking place until spring. It simply doesn't "take" properly in winter.

nidO

MSE_Andrea wrote: »

Both had to be negotiated/haggled with the house builders

I think this is exactly what the house builders want people to think.

A lot of modern houses "don't come with turf" but what this in reality means is "turf is the very first thing offered when it comes to haggling so it appears to the buyer they're getting something free".

It's a relatively natural progression, everyone these days knows that you can haggle either for money off or stuff thrown in with most new builds, so the builders respond by making some cheap bare essentials "extra" rather than coming as "standard" which they can almost immediately give away for free to make the buyer think they've got themselves a deal.

moneyistooshorttomention

nidO wrote: »

I think this is exactly what the house builders want people to think.

A lot of modern houses "don't come with turf" but what this in reality means is "turf is the very first thing offered when it comes to haggling so it appears to the buyer they're getting something free".

It's a relatively natural progression, everyone these days knows that you can haggle either for money off or stuff thrown in with most new builds, so the builders respond by making some cheap bare essentials "extra" rather than coming as "standard" which they can almost immediately give away for free to make the buyer think they've got themselves a deal.

Good point:T

...and they probably get away with it because of differences of opinion as to what The House itself MUST have as a basic necessity.

Back to that lawn obviously is imo....but a dishwasher is something that isn't even on my personal "Desirable List" and I don't even want one personally.

libf

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl:Hmmm....mud up to knees at regular intervals (ie any time I tried to walk across my garden) v. a house is perfectly usable and its a "matter of taste" thing as to what goes down on the floor if the floors are just bare wood planks (or, in part of country I'm now in = make that bare concrete probably:().

I'll take the usable garden personally and just put my slippers (and thermal socks) on before trudging across those bare floors. At least I can use the blimmin' house whilst its waiting for its floor coverings of my choice.

.....wanders off trying not to think about the cost involved to transform the garden from "As it came" level to "My level...finished at last"...as I know darn well its well up into thousands of £s:( Am guessing that it will cost around £8k to £10k to get my garden sorted - on top of what I've spent throwing out all existing "rubbish" from it and making it remotely viable (courtesy of it being a secondhand house).

I won't be in the garden until the summer anyway, so no mud involved! And I will have a patio immediately outside the doors from the kitchen across to my back gate.

It's a total ball ache to move all your stuff in, and then have to move it all around to carpet/whatever. The concrete you get when you move into a new build is not really livable, so my current flat I stayed in rented until the flooring was down and I didn't even have much furniture then.

fashionvictim

I know on my new build contract it says developer can alter the boundaries at any time, even after completion if it does not significantly affect the property value.

So I basically take it that buying a new build means the normal theories of property buying do not apply.

Read your contract I sure they are allowed to do what ever they like !

cakeforbrains

If it's anything like our new build the turf will be laid on rubble and you'll have leatherjackets every Autumn which will eat it at the roots until you'll have to have the whole thing reseeded anyway! Leatherjackets love new turf, apparently.

moneyistooshorttomention

Errrm.....and I think you would be better personally focusing on Obvious Essentials (ie rather than going into territory that focuses on generational differences as to what constitutes "Definite Necessities").

Having the ability to deny access to Your Own Garden probably constitutes an Obvious Necessity in the eyes of any generation currently living (ie the developer should have obviously finished with your garden by now).

Beyond that - then you come up with Generational Differences as to what are quite obviously "Necessities - should be in place at time house is first occupied". Meaning Babyboomer Generation (ie my own) will decide that "Garden must be passable" standard at time house is occupied is Obvious. The generation that is older than mine may not agree with us.

Babyboomer Generation will probably regard "Floor coverings must be down" as being "Yer What?????!!!!!" territory and luxury.

It will vary.....


But I would say the Basic Consensus of "How a House is Supposed to be at the outset" level quite quite definitely includes reasonably sorted for the electrics (ie a passable number of power points) and central heating (radiators in every part of the house) and a useable kitchen and bathroom.

Beyond that = you start getting into generational differences as to what is The Norm and someone/somewhere aint fulfilling their responsibilities if they aren't doing it.

marksoton

fashionvictim wrote: »

I know on my new build contract it says developer can alter the boundaries at any time, even after completion if it does not significantly affect the property value.

Blimey. How the hell are the property deeds produced if the boundary could potentially move at any time!?

I wouldn't be happy with that at all.

fashionvictim

marksoton wrote: »

Blimey. How the hell are the property deeds produced if the boundary could potentially move at any time!?

I have the boundary on the plans -i'm about the exchange so I assume it's unlikely, but it gives them the option. I guess it would be complicated, but it would have to be amended at the land reg if they did change anything. The issue with new builds is they can change a lot and the developer has the all power.

I've heard lots of stories of access paths appearing shortening peoples gardens. They have also changed our window design from the literature.

I am still happy with the house..ask me again once I get in there!

marksoton

fashionvictim wrote: »

I have the boundary on the plans -i'm about the exchange so I assume it's unlikely, but it gives them the option. I guess it would be complicated, but it would have to be amended at the land reg if they did change anything. The issue with new builds is they can change a lot and the developer has the all power.

I've heard lots of stories of access paths appearing shortening peoples gardens. They have also changed our window design from the literature.

I am still happy with the house..ask me again once I get in there!

This i get as marketing garbage is not contractural. But after completion and regarding boundaries?!

I'd seriously question the legality of that, and any solicitor who is prepared to proceed on that basis.

Good luck in the new place!