Parking Awareness Services Blackpool,Central Reads Secure Car Park.

troubled_newbie

Hi everyone.
I visited Blackpool on the 19th September 2015 and parked in Central Reads Secure Car Park, Managed by Parking Awareness Services Blackpool . Upon arrival at approx11.30am i parked in a designated parking bay and proceeded to pay the 24hr tariff of £6.50 clearly shown at the side of the ticket machine . I stayed in Blackpool overnight and returned to my vehicle approx 09.00 am ( well within the 24hr parking period paid for .) It was in the same place i had left it the day before and all seemed to be well. There was no indication of anything wrong in the form of notice from the PPC. I then proceeded to drive my car home (just over 100 miles .) To my horror i received a Parking Charge Notice through the post on 10th October 2015 Stating i was observed on the 19th September 2015 "Not parked fully within the confines of a marked bay"the driver therefore becomes liable for a £100 parking charge reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days. I appealed the charge immediately (before i found this and other sites ) rather hastily in hindsight . I received an email on the 14th October 2015 rejecting my appeal 'stating the notice was issued correctly and therefore cannot be cancelled . After finding this sight and others which i find to be very helpful i started doing a bit of research reading PoFA 2012 and also the Independent Parking Commission code of conduct to which the PPC quote from(PoFA) and are operating in accordance with(I.P.C .). Would i be correct in !!!uming, a Notice to Driver in the form of a windscreen ticket should be given before the vehicle leaves the private land it is parked upon and 28 days given for the driver to respond before details of the keeper be obtained from DVLA? The site in question is a NON ANPR sight and no photographs were in the P.C.N that arrived in the post . I had no opportunity to take photographs or gather evidence on the day as no notices were given . Would really appreciate any advice from forum members , i think i have done a lot of home work but feel that because PoFA 2012 wording is very complicated i have missed something simple and it will come back to bite me . I believe the Independent Parking Commission code of conduct is quite easy to comprehend in what must be adhered to in Non ANPR cases. Guess i just need a bit of re !!!urance from some one with a little more knowledge and expertise in this field. I be at work most of today and will reply to any comments (if any ) this evening . Thanks for looking and any help very much appreciated. troubled newbie.

Coupon-mad

troubled_newbie wrote: »

Hi everyone.
I visited Blackpool on the 19th September 2015 and parked in Central Reads Secure Car Park, Managed by Parking Awareness Services Blackpool .

Upon arrival at approx11.30am i parked in a designated parking bay and proceeded to pay the 24hr tariff of £6.50 clearly shown at the side of the ticket machine .

I stayed in Blackpool overnight and returned to my vehicle approx 09.00 am ( well within the 24hr parking period paid for .) It was in the same place i had left it the day before and all seemed to be well. There was no indication of anything wrong in the form of notice from the PPC. I then proceeded to drive my car home (just over 100 miles .)

To my horror i received a Parking Charge Notice through the post on 10th October 2015 Stating i was observed on the 19th September 2015 "Not parked fully within the confines of a marked bay"the driver therefore becomes liable for a £100 parking charge reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days.

I appealed the charge immediately (before i found this and other sites ) rather hastily in hindsight .

I received an email on the 14th October 2015 rejecting my appeal 'stating the notice was issued correctly and therefore cannot be cancelled .

After finding this sight and others which i find to be very helpful i started doing a bit of research reading PoFA 2012 and also the Independent Parking Commission code of conduct to which the PPC quote from(PoFA) and are operating in accordance with(I.P.C .).

Would i be correct in assuming, a Notice to Driver in the form of a windscreen ticket should be given before the vehicle leaves the private land it is parked upon and 28 days given for the driver to respond before details of the keeper be obtained from DVLA?

The site in question is a NON ANPR sight and no photographs were in the P.C.N that arrived in the post . I had no opportunity to take photographs or gather evidence on the day as no notices were given .

Would really appreciate any advice from forum members , i think i have done a lot of home work but feel that because PoFA 2012 wording is very complicated i have missed something simple and it will come back to bite me .
I believe the Independent Parking Commission code of conduct is quite easy to comprehend in what must be adhered to in Non ANPR cases. Guess i just need a bit of reassurance from some one with a little more knowledge and expertise in this field. I be at work most of today and will reply to any comments (if any ) this evening .

Thanks for looking and any help very much appreciated. troubled newbie.

Hi, and welcome to the forum. I've put some paragraphs in to your first post to make it more readable.

First the bad news:

- if you have appealed saying you parked the car/were the driver then you've blown any way of relying upon the POFA. Should have appealed as keeper as you will have seen from the Sticky threads here, but I can see you appealed before coming here. So I expect you've burned that boat?

- Companies can issue a postal notice after day 28, regardless of whether it's ANPR or not. They don't have to follow the 'PCN on windscreen first' route. Dodgy in terms of evidence and audit trail for them, but true, they 'can' do this.

- the IAS is not worth trying an appeal so IMHO, don't bother. You will lose then you will feel pressurised to pay and panic and the PPC will feel they have the upper hand. I never recommend a Newbie tries the IAS, it's a kangaroo court that appears to favour the IPC companies and makes gobsmackingly awful and ludicrous decisions. Unless you try an IAS appeal with your eyes wide open, knowing it's a farce you are likely to lose, then don't.

The good news:

You can ignore it now, do not pay it, you wil merely go into 'ignore the debt collector's mode like thousands of other people before you over a decade who have ignored such threatograms. They can't affect your credit rating nor can a debt collector litigate - Google 'Parking Cowboys debt collectors'.

Most companies never try court claims, just letters. Obviously don't ignore court papers - we can assist and such things are defendable in a real court if need be, not a kangaroo one like the IAS is considered by regulars here, to be.

Happy ignoring.

(If this had been a BPA member we'd have said go to POPLA but the 'IAS' is not a viable equivalent IMHO).

troubled_newbie

Thank you Coupon Mad for your reply and also editing my post , never the best at English at school. I shall follow your advice and ignore happily .

If you could answer a couple of questions i have , The notice arrived on day 21 (10th Oct 2015) you said in your reply they can send through post after 28days .

Also could you tell me how they get round no notice to driver (windscreen ticket ) ? i am near on damn certain if i went over the ticket time or any ticket violation i would have had a notice to driver on the windscreen.

Once again Thank you.

paul_56

i have had the same charge in the same car park

paul_56

on the same day also 19th the pics they sent show my car between lines and cars parked either side of mine

paul_56

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Fruitcake

paul_56 wrote: »

i have had the same charge in the same car park

paul_56 wrote: »

on the same day also 19th the pics they sent show my car between lines and cars parked either side of mine

paul_56 wrote: »

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This is not your thread. Please only post on your thread unless you have information that helps the OP on this thread.

paul_56

i was just saying my situation is the same at the same car park

Coupon-mad

troubled_newbie wrote: »

Thank you Coupon Mad for your reply and also editing my post , never the best at English at school. I shall follow your advice and ignore happily .

If you could answer a couple of questions i have , The notice arrived on day 21 (10th Oct 2015) you said in your reply they can send through post after 28days.

With a postal PCN where there has been no windscreen PCN, they can send it anytime really! If it is served by day 15 to a keeper and has all the right wording under the POFA, they can allege the keeper is liable. If it arrives later than day 15 they can only pursue the driver (now do you see why NO-ONE replying to one of these should say who that driver was/who parked the car?!). Never mind.

troubled_newbie wrote: »

Also could you tell me how they get round no notice to driver (windscreen ticket ) ? i am near on damn certain if i went over the ticket time or any ticket violation i would have had a notice to driver on the windscreen.

They don't have to issue a windscreen ticket so you are wrong to assume/be certain there 'must' or would have been a windscreen ticket (and in fact there cannot have been, not if the Notice to Keeper arrived on day 21).

Both the BPA and IPC Codes of Practice allow parking firms to issue PCNs by post, even when it's not an ANPR car park. The IPC will never reply if you complain. If you try the IAS you'll lose. Load of rubbish, ignore it as it's IPC, this is pointless harassment and a waste of your time which is why the Government is looking into changes due to the wealth of public wrath about this rip-off industry.

Only take seriously court papers or a Letter before Court Claim from a Solicitor or the parking firm themselves. Ignore debt collector versions pretending the same.

paul_56

With a postal PCN where there has been no windscreen PCN, they can send it anytime really! If it is served by day 15 to a keeper and has all the right wording under the POFA, they can allege the keeper is liable. If it arrives later than day 15 they can only pursue the driver (now do you see why NO-ONE replying to one of these should say who that driver was/who parked the car?!). Never mind.
But the date of issue on the letter was 29th sept so that makes it 10 days or is it the date the letter drops thro door

nigelbb

paul_56 wrote: »

With a postal PCN where there has been no windscreen PCN, they can send it anytime really! If it is served by day 15 to a keeper and has all the right wording under the POFA, they can allege the keeper is liable. If it arrives later than day 15 they can only pursue the driver (now do you see why NO-ONE replying to one of these should say who that driver was/who parked the car?!). Never mind.
But the date of issue on the letter was 29th sept so that makes it 10 days or is it the date the letter drops thro door

When there is no windscreen ticket the NTK must be delivered by Day 15 (Day 0 is the day of the 'crime'). It doesn't matter what the 'date of issue' is as PPC routinely lie. As per the Interpretation Act the date of delivery is presumed to be 2 working days after being posted by First Class mail but PPCs rarely use First Class Royal Mail so cannot rely on this e.g. PE use bulk UK Mail with no indication of date of posting. The true date of delivery is the day it pops through the letter box if the recipient can provide evidence (a simple witness statement should be sufficient).