Tax Credits

CLAPTON

kinger101 wrote: »

The state should provide a safety net. Entitlement to benefits should be withdrawn if the claimants are not actively seeking a set number of hours work determined by their personal circumstances.

The overwhelming majority of people will find work in these circumstances to provide for their family. Personally, I think it becomes child abuse if you point blank refuse to work to provide for your children.

There isn't an easy answer in these circumstances as taking children into care is usually very bad for them. Sadly, crap parents have always existed, and I don't envy the choices those working in child protection have to make.

Rather than constantly misrepresenting what I have written, why don't you explain your solution to this problem.

I believe that benefits are set at too high a level and should be reduced.
The current levels are a real disincentive to working or trying to improve one situation because one can lead a comfortable life on benefits.
The current levels provide a lot more than a safety net.

setmefree2

mforr64 wrote: »

Actually I have been interested in Politics for the last 32 years. Please tell me in layman's terms what it is that I am supporting since you raise the subject.

"It has now stirred a passion for politics within me" Sounds like a cheesy sentence from an A Level students University application form tbh.

Anyways, a bunch of people who support terrorists of all colours. People who have no clue about economics. Deficit deniers. People who hate The Britsh and are anti-Amercian and anti-West.

Funny how when life was good for you - you voted Tory. Now life is not so good for you, you have become all labour. Doesn't say much about your principles does it?

mforr64

setmefree2 wrote: »

"It has now stirred a passion for politics within me" Sounds like a sentence from an A Level students Uuniversity application form tbh.

Anyways, a bunch of people who support terrorists of all colours. Pepole who have no clue about economics. Deficit deniers. People who hate The Britsh and are anti-Amercian and anti-West.

Funny how when life was good for you - you voted Tory. Now life is not so good for you, you have become all labour. Doesn't say much about your principles does it?

Bless you! I'll give you one thing setmefree2. You have the "excellent entertainment" factor. A great phishing post if I saw one.

missyrichards

mforr64 wrote: »

Missy Richards - I think that the Tax Credit debacle has shaken the Tories and has done permanent damage - even at this early stage in the parliamentary lifecycle. I also for one minute don't believe all Tories are bad people.

George Osborne was absolutely determined to push ahead with his ideology. He knew what he was doing on the 7th July would cause untold damage to families who for the majority of them because of their total ignorance of politics wouldn't have known until December when it was too late.

If I were to believe everything on these threads that is supposed of me and my family then we are branded !!!!less worthless scroungers who are the bane of society as we receive tax credits. There I have said it. How the OP started his statement already made many assumptions. I am only posting on here as I am off work due to an appendectomy on Monday.

I suppose Mark W will try to analyse what I am saying like he did from my first post, actually thought he was being patronising as he knew nothing about me apart from the couple of sentences I wrote. BTW Mark W - my husband works 50 hours a week (unpaid OT - just like your partner) and we still get TC's - I earn over the current NMW too working in the community with families. Raising the NMW to £9 by 2020 would have done nothing for us.

The thing is with us - we've been up there and after a redundancy we now know what it's like down there. Eight years on we accept we will never get back to where we once were monetarily but we have become more compassionate humanitarians and it has now stirred a passion for politics within me but not the media right wing selected bias or the New Labour drivel but Jeremy Corbyn. Come on now - throw the "book" at me!

Wait, is all the rest of that post directed at me, what did I say about any of that? Lol.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given the challenging task he inherited. He appears to be approaching the matter in a pragmatic fashion. As there's no easy answers just difficult decisions. A better chancellor than I thought he would be.

He has done a better job than I expected too.

mforr64

Apologies Missy Richards - just the first couple of paragraphs. As you can see I have not made many posts on MSE, not so au fait with the system. Some of it was in response to Mark Weston aka mwpt.

Thrugelmir

kinger101 wrote: »

Sadly, crap parents have always existed, and I don't envy the choices those working in child protection have to make. In reality, it probably becomes necessary to provide benefits to keep the child out of absolute poverty but in the care of their parents, because the alternative is even less palatable.

My partner works in child protection. Poverty has absolutely nothing to with child abuse. Child abuse is a classless issue.

setmefree2

mforr64 wrote: »

Bless you! I'll give you one thing setmefree2. You have the "excellent entertainment" factor. A great phishing post if I saw one.

Labour is finished after the week it's just had. No chance it will win the election in 2020 - probably not in 2025 either. So your reawakened interest in politics is going to be a disappointing one.

chewmylegoff

CLAPTON wrote: »

I believe that benefits are set at too high a level and should be reduced.
The current levels are a real disincentive to working or trying to improve one situation because one can lead a comfortable life on benefits.
The current levels provide a lot more than a safety net.

One improvement that might result in benefits not acting as such a disincentive to work would be if tax credits were actually tax credits rather than a benefit payment called tax credits.

That way the only way you could actually get access to tax credits would be to go out and work and the more you worked the more you would earn.

It would be far simpler, though, to just abolish tax credits and either cut basic rate tax or raise the personal allowance. I think the back of a f@g packet maths is that 1p off the basic rate results in £5bn less raised. So cut basic rate by 6% and abolish all tax credits. If you want to be more progressive then reintroduce the 10% band. I suppose the benefit of keeping the more convoluted tax credit arrangement would be that you can target them at 'qualifying people'.

mwpt

With the bit of a turnaround in this statement, is anyone else wondering if George might be looking to devalue Sterling at some point in the future? Stealth reduction of spending through general devaluation of currency and the (probable) resulting inflation? Reading into it too much?

Mistermeaner

An interesting thought - only works though if wages increase in real terms while benefits remain frozen, otherwise relatively no change but stuff gets more expensive for everyone