Britain and the EU

vivatifosi

Working in a public library, I have some knowledge of what new books are coming out in the coming months. This one caught my eye:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Euro-Common-Currency-Threatens-Future/dp/039325402X/

ETA neglected to mention, this is the new Stiglitz book.

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

So you think a view once taken should NEVER be changed?


The ECHR was established after the war in the context of millions of deaths.

It was never intended that the court would determine the wisdom of 'stop and search' or precisely what crimes justified withdrawing voting rights or the wrongs and rights or expelling foreign rapist or murderers etc.

The ECHR is a set of principles that do not mention lots of things that appear in subsequent legislation. So on "stop and search" the principle is that people should not be detained by a public authority without proper legal safeguards to prevent abuse. If Governments create legislation that contravenes those principles then people have rights to challenge it. You seem to be of the view that these principles are no longer things we as a nation should support.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

The ECHR is a set of principles that do not mention lots of things that appear in subsequent legislation. So on "stop and search" the principle is that people should not be detained by a public authority without proper legal safeguards to prevent abuse. If Governments create legislation that contravenes those principles then people have rights to challenge it. You seem to be of the view that these principles are no longer things we as a nation should support.

You're right about 'principles' (as well as religions) as they can provide reasons for the most appalling injustices, so in general they have a low esteem with me.
So better things that work rather then 'principles' that don't.

Stop and Search is a pragmatic action that is properly determined by a government in their specific circumstances rather than theologians discussing how many angels can dance on the eye of a needle.

So it seems completely fine for a country / region that doesn't have a knife or gun problem not to have stop and search, while for regions that do have such problems, then it may be appropriate.

so you may spend many happy hours debating the interaction between the HR of freedom not to be detained for 5 minutes against the HR to life by not being killed by a villian with a knife.

Personally I prefer a pragmatic approach : is knife crime a problem? is stop and search in selective areas an appropriate and effective response?

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

...Stop and Search is a pragmatic action that is properly determined by a government in their specific circumstances rather than theologians discussing how many angels can dance on the eye of a needle.....

Perhaps that would explain why we have 'stop and search' in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's the downside impact of the minimum wage. Ultimately someone has to pay. In any industry no one is going to invest money if there's no return. The leisure sector i.e. hotels/pubs etc will face challenges by 2020. Something has to give. Increased prices or improved productivity. Worth taking a look at some of the large quoted companies and how much profit they make per employee. It's not as high as one would imagine.

In Aus the minimum wage for working as a checkout chick in the supermarket is $47/hr on public holidays and Sundays. Australian supermarkets are among the most profitable in the world.

AEP has this to say about the impact of a Brexit on farming and more importantly the food sector. Food exporters would face a 40%+ tax on exports of produce.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11967049/Brexit-is-a-life-or-death-matter-for-Britains-farmers.html

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

In Aus the minimum wage for working as a checkout chick in the supermarket is $47/hr on public holidays and Sundays. Australian supermarkets are among the most profitable in the world.

AEP has this to say about the impact of a Brexit on farming and more importantly the food sector. Food exporters would face a 40%+ tax on exports of produce.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11967049/Brexit-is-a-life-or-death-matter-for-Britains-farmers.html

you appear to approve this huge restriction on trade and massive industry subsidises

don't you think they make everyone poorer?

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

you appear to approve this huge restriction on trade and massive industry subsidises

I have absolutely no idea how you came to that conclusion.

CLAPTON wrote: »

don't you think they make everyone poorer?

Yes, subsidies and trade restrictions make everyone poorer IMV except a small number of rent seekers.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea how you came to that conclusion.



Yes, subsidies and trade restrictions make everyone poorer IMV except a small number of rent seekers.

an easy mistake to make

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

an easy mistake to make

Apparently so.

I don't just post news articles that I wholly agree with, I also post ones which I think others will find interesting.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Apparently so.

I don't just post news articles that I wholly agree with, I also post ones which I think others will find interesting.

many so

but is does sort of, well slightly, seem to suggest the the UK would be worse off rather than better off if we left the Eu (obviously only on the matter of farm products)