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renting - how normal and how legal is this?

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  • Dan-Dan
    Dan-Dan Posts: 5,279 Forumite
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    ViolaLass wrote: »
    Not helpful and not the point. The LL would have to repair the roof, for example.

    It is helpful because the roof and the fridge are not in the same conversation

    Your reply is nothing more than spam
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  • ViolaLass
    ViolaLass Posts: 5,764 Forumite
    Dan-Dan wrote: »
    It is helpful because the roof and the fridge are not in the same conversation

    Your reply is nothing more than spam

    You said that 'in the real world', if your fridge breaks, you have to fix it. The same is true of the roof, if you own your property. I didn't feel your post was helpful and said so, using a comparison. I was not saying that roofs had been mentioned before in this thread.

    How that makes my post spam I have no idea.
  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
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    ViolaLass wrote: »
    Not helpful and not the point. The LL would have to repair the roof, for example.
    Yes, but irrelevant.

    see post 5 above.
  • HappyMJ
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    I would expect the landlord to keep in good repair and fixtures and fittings included with the property at the beginning of the tenancy especially if the property was advertised as such.

    I don't own a cooker, washing machine, dryer, fridge or freezer. It's all included in the rental property I am in and I expect it all to be repaired or replaced if any of them break down.
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  • The problem with expectations is that they are bound to disappoint.

    Now, if a landlord supplies white goods it does make sense for him to maintain them. He will have to fix or replace them for the next tenant, after all.
    However, as there is no legal obligation to do so.
  • Dan-Dan
    Dan-Dan Posts: 5,279 Forumite
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    ViolaLass wrote: »
    You said that 'in the real world', if your fridge breaks, you have to fix it. The same is true of the roof, if you own your property. I didn't feel your post was helpful and said so, using a comparison. I was not saying that roofs had been mentioned before in this thread.

    How that makes my post spam I have no idea.

    See GM`s post regards post #5 to clear up your confusion
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  • benjus
    benjus Posts: 5,433 Forumite
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    Dan-Dan wrote: »
    Join the real world , your Fridge breaks , you have to replace it (or not , and leave the milk on the window sill)

    If it is the tenant's fridge, then fair enough. If it's the landlord's fridge then (morally) they should do something about it. Or at least pay for its disposal so that the tenant can get their own fridge.

    The problem with the tenant providing all white goods is that ASTs give little security of tenure, so the tenant could shell out lots of money on white goods only to get a Section 21 notice the next day. And the tenant may find it difficult to find another property that doesn't already have white goods. So it generally works better that the landlord provides white goods, and takes responsibility for repairing them as necessary.

    In other European countries it's much more common to rent a place that's completely empty, without even light fittings in some cases, and the tenant installs the fixtures and fittings that they want. But then in those countries the tenant can pretty much stay as long as they want as long as they keep paying the rent, so it makes more sense to invest in equipment for the property.

    Expecting a tenant to provide their own white goods while having little security of tenure is not very reasonable IMO.
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  • ViolaLass
    ViolaLass Posts: 5,764 Forumite
    Dan-Dan wrote: »
    See GM`s post regards post #5 to clear up your confusion


    And just to clear up yours, I was objecting only to your use of 'in the real world' which seemed unnecessarily rude to me.

    Apparently that's just your style though. I hope it works out for you.
  • Dan-Dan
    Dan-Dan Posts: 5,279 Forumite
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    ViolaLass wrote: »
    And just to clear up yours, I was objecting only to your use of 'in the real world' which seemed unnecessarily rude to me.

    Apparently that's just your style though. I hope it works out for you.

    Still spamming?

    Probably best if you and I leave this thread to people who actually know what they are talking about i would say ;)
    Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
  • Dan-Dan
    Dan-Dan Posts: 5,279 Forumite
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    benjus wrote: »
    If it is the tenant's fridge, then fair enough. If it's the landlord's fridge then (morally) they should do something about it

    Sadly , morals have little to do with it
    Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
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