Taxpayers' Alliance: Cut pensioner benefits 'immediately'

MrRee_2

So glad that I retired when I did ..... I would highly recommend it.

The Political elite know that the grey voter will, and can, swing an election one way or another.

If this Government mess with us we will see that they don't govern again.

The youngsters simply can't be bothered to vote - so get totally ignored. If only they knew that they could change things if they took a moment to look up from their Smartphones and Playstations to see what was happening to their future benefits.

Not one 25 year old will be able to retire until they are at least 75 - and only then if they have been wise with their money. The very best they can do is climb the property ladder as fast as they possibly can.

the_flying_pig

MrRee wrote: »

...Not one 25 year old will be able to retire until they are at least 75...

what I think you mean is 25 year olds won't be able to draw a 'full' pension.


the labour market will never have significant demand for the services of legions of people in their late 60s & early 70s. it just can't ever happen.


even if 65-75 year olds are expected to work their employment rate will be forever be below 50%.

Nick_C

MrRee wrote: »

The Political elite know that the grey voter will, and can, swing an election one way or another.

If this Government mess with us we will see that they don't govern again.

And that's the problem. It seems there are a lot of selfish pensioners who don't care about the future of our country because they won't be around to see the damage they are causing.

Oddly enough, they would probably be the first to criticise the "entitlement" attitude of younger benefits claimants.

Perhaps the government could pass a law to disenfranchise pensioners before reforming these additional benefits.

OK, that's not a serious comment, but what can we do when grey voters threaten to hold the country to ransom because they believe they have more rights than anyone else?

Because of the recession and austerity, working people have seen savage cuts to their disposable income. The unemployed and disabled have seen their benefits cut. But are we all in it together? No No No. We can't take the Winter Fuel Allowance away from wealthier pensioners. They have a supreme entitlement that makes them more needy than anyone else. They need that £200 to cover the drinks bill on their next cruise. "So what" if the country is in debt.

I despair.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

I believe employees can opt out silly to do so but I wonder how many will.

Hopefully old habits will be reignited. There's always going to be sill people. What matters is that the majority learn to save.

As the triple lock is unsustainable in the longer term.

ukcarper

Nick_C wrote: »

And that's the problem. It seems there are a lot of selfish pensioners who don't care about the future of our country because they won't be around to see the damage they are causing.

Oddly enough, they would probably be the first to criticise the "entitlement" attitude of younger benefits claimants.

Perhaps the government could pass a law to disenfranchise pensioners before reforming these additional benefits.

OK, that's not a serious comment, but what can we do when grey voters threaten to hold the country to ransom because they believe they have more rights than anyone else?

Because of the recession and austerity, working people have seen savage cuts to their disposable income. The unemployed and disabled have seen their benefits cut. But are we all in it together? No No No. We can't take the Winter Fuel Allowance away from wealthier pensioners. They have a supreme entitlement that makes them more needy than anyone else. They need that £200 to cover the drinks bill on their next cruise. "So what" if the country is in debt.

I despair.

No party is prepared to put it to the test, there are selfish people in all generations and the majority of pensioners have children and grandchildren and are concerned about their future. I would be prepared to lose my winter fuel allowance etc so long as the cut off point for losing them was higher than the cut off for pension credit.

kinger101

Nick_C wrote: »

And that's the problem. It seems there are a lot of selfish pensioners who don't care about the future of our country because they won't be around to see the damage they are causing.

That comment is unfair. Pensioners are no more likely to be selfish that anyone else. They're just playing the hand that's been dealt to them like everyone else. You can't control when you're born, any more than your skin colour or sex. So stop being so prejudiced, and enjoy the Werther's Originals granddad gave you.

Mistermeaner

The wise young will be preparing for this - which means most won't

However when they themselves are pensioners they will be wiser and vote so can just borrow from their grandkids and so the ponzi continues

What would pi ss me off is having been frugal and saved hard for my retirement is that I end up not significantly better off than someone who didn't.

State pension should not be means tested IMO

Fella

MrRee wrote: »

The youngsters simply can't be bothered to vote - so get totally ignored. If only they knew that they could change things if they took a moment to look up from their Smartphones and Playstations to see what was happening to their future benefits.

Not one 25 year old will be able to retire until they are at least 75 - and only then if they have been wise with their money. The very best they can do is climb the property ladder as fast as they possibly can.

Actually I know many a pensioner addicted to their smartphone & ipad. And the property ladder is far from guaranteed. 20 years of stagnating property prices is just as likely or unlikely as 20 more years of inflating property prices. Actually the very best thing any 25-y-old could do financially is generate large sums of cash via whatever (legal) means they are best at. Which has always been the case.

Sapphire

the labour market will never have significant demand for the services of legions of people in their late 60s & early 70s.

I'd be worried about the future of the entire working world, quite frankly. With increasing globalisation, and with the huge number of people coming into Britain from abroad, and being willing to do jobs for a fraction of the cost of what the indigenous population is likely to be willing to accept, there will be a growing number of unemployed people of all ages, not just those in their sixties and seventies. Mechanisation and new technologies will also play a growing part in depriving people of work. (It's not likely to be something that company bosses, or the affluent minority who profit from the work and care only about lining their own pockets, are likely to trouble themselves about.) It's all a far cry from how the science fiction writers of the Golden Age envisioned the future (all of us were to have much more leisure, but without having to pay for it).

Mistermeaner

Better get oneself to the top of the pile then. Study hard, work hard.