urgent help got an appeal for unfair removal from my si

sangie595

sapman17 wrote: »

the first time I heard anything was wrong 28.8.15 when a new department contacted me and said the deputy manager had put in a complaint about me but they didn't know what for when the store had just had a very good stock-take so i thought everything was on the up I told him the deputy manager was after everyone just furthering his own career he had been difficult with everyone and sacked over 10 staff. so on the bank holiday monday 1.9.15 I saw a new area manager who I had only seen once before warned me I would be removed but with no reasons why so i was a nervous wreck wondering what it was all about till 4.9.15 and this was my removal meeting which gave no actual facts of misconduct or untrustworthy conduct just an email saying it I am guilty of nothing they have shown me no proof of anything well at the meeting he said know he didnt that I could carry on doing relief work mon-fri 9-5 for 5 years or as long as it took to find me a new permanent position but know he says the date is 16.10.15 so I sent a letter requesting reasons for the above and they had 7 days to respond as i was told to say that by aa legal. but next thing i hear is i have an appeal that is today I know roughly what I should be saying as my company have been messing me around for some time. my old site paid me 6.98 but removed there also in 2013 as it was quite a small site compared to the one i was removed from but I had to take a 10p hour pay cut and it was also nearly twice as far to travel but i had no choice but to go there and I have been getting more successful with each year I had been there they also know find out that they mess around with our holiday pay by deducting money and other unusual deductions and reasons given. so i will also point that out today. so from what I know I have been unfairly treated for quite some time.The deputy manager has also removed one of my replacements already as he spoke hardly any English. so know they are finding someone else. Hope this clears it up and you can add something else of some legal standing. thanks for your replies so far

This is still very difficult to understand, but it sounds as though you work for a security company who contract site security to other customers. If that is the case, then the client can say they don't want you on site, and there is nothing that can be done about that. It wouldn't be up to your employer to refuse to compl; and they would either find you another role if one was available or you would be redundant.

sapman17

yes thats right i suppose my company just think they have to accept whatever the client says even though they my not be

sangie595

sapman17 wrote: »

yes thats right i suppose my company just think they have to accept whatever the client says even though they my not be

It isn't about what your employer thinks they have to accept - they actually do have to accept it. They do not dictate terms to a client, and if they attempt to do so they will lose the business.

So would it be the case that you are on a zero hours contract and the employer has no obligation to find you work - that is common in these sorts of situations. Because this is not clearly a case of redundancy since the job still exists but the client won't accept you doing it.

sapman17

no I am on a 48 hr week contract and have been on the same one since 2011 and have changed sites and got paid less and the new site was twice the distance away i told the area manager at the time i was happy but he did nothing about it. yes the job is still being advertised and at my removal meeting she was very adamant but my are wasn't but i suppose she is more legally clued up.

maninthestreet

sapman17 wrote: »

no I am on a 48 hr week contract and have been on the same one since 2011 and have changed sites and got paid less and the new site was twice the distance away i told the area manager at the time i was happy but he did nothing about it. yes the job is still being advertised and at my removal meeting she was very adamant but my are wasn't but i suppose she is more legally clued up.

why would your area manager do anything if you told him you were happy?

Tiddlywinks

sapman17 wrote: »

the first time I heard anything was wrong 28.8.15 when a new department contacted me and said the deputy manager had put in a complaint about me but they didn't know what for when the store had just had a very good stock-take so i thought everything was on the up I told him the deputy manager was after everyone just furthering his own career he had been difficult with everyone and sacked over 10 staff. so on the bank holiday monday 1.9.15 I saw a new area manager who I had only seen once before warned me I would be removed but with no reasons why so i was a nervous wreck wondering what it was all about till 4.9.15 and this was my removal meeting which gave no actual facts of misconduct or untrustworthy conduct just an email saying it I am guilty of nothing they have shown me no proof of anything well at the meeting he said know he didnt that I could carry on doing relief work mon-fri 9-5 for 5 years or as long as it took to find me a new permanent position but know he says the date is 16.10.15 so I sent a letter requesting reasons for the above and they had 7 days to respond as i was told to say that by aa legal. but next thing i hear is i have an appeal that is today I know roughly what I should be saying as my company have been messing me around for some time. my old site paid me 6.98 but removed there also in 2013 as it was quite a small site compared to the one i was removed from but I had to take a 10p hour pay cut and it was also nearly twice as far to travel but i had no choice but to go there and I have been getting more successful with each year I had been there they also know find out that they mess around with our holiday pay by deducting money and other unusual deductions and reasons given. so i will also point that out today. so from what I know I have been unfairly treated for quite some time.The deputy manager has also removed one of my replacements already as he spoke hardly any English. so know they are finding someone else. Hope this clears it up and you can add something else of some legal standing. thanks for your replies so far

Nothing is really clear in that clump of words.

You need to take a breath and bullet point the chain of events.

Be clear about whether the area managers etc that you refer to are your employer or the third party client.

Also, separate the issues - just concentrate here on the suspension... adding extra stuff about hourly rates etc just muddies the waters.

Have a look at the ACAS site for information about employment disciplinary processes. That will tell you what should happen in such situations.

http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/r/2/D_G_Booklet_8-08_for_web.pdf

sapman17

maninthestreet wrote: »

why would your area manager do anything if you told him you were happy?

Sorry i made a big mistake i meant unhappy. Thanks for spotting it i am updating and correcting the text and I will bullet point it as soon as possible thanks for pointing it out. and thanks for all for your replies you been very considerate I didn't do that well in my gcse english.