Claimant deaths? DWP vs Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) - have any effect?

cifpower

densol wrote: »

No one - no one can say what causes someone to tip over the edge at the end - not even the " myths" you produce and of course the person who decided to die is dead and the reason is speculation.

But as usual the disability " pull yourselves together !" Brigade come out in force !

Am I a member of that brigade?

Tiddlywinks

densol wrote: »

No one - no one can say what causes someone to tip over the edge at the end - not even the " myths" you produce and of course the person who decided to die is dead and the reason is speculation.

But as usual the disability " pull yourselves together !" Brigade come out in force !

Get over yourself - I didn't 'produce' that document... I merely signposted to it. It is a Samaritans' document and I trust their research.

Yes, the reason for death is 'speculation' as you say - so let's not send the villagers with their pitchforks over to the DWP just yet.

For the record, I am NOT and never have suggested that suicidal people should 'pull themselves together' and I resent your implication that I have by quoting my post with your comment.

Suicide is a complex and very sad issue - stop trying to use it to score points.

me123456789

To anyone who says you can't die from having your benefits stopped I beg to differ-I had mine stopped for nothing a couple of years ago. I think it was an appointment they never informed me about that I missed or something like that I can't remember now, they are always trying stuff like that. I wasn't working at the time so it was my only source of income. They fobbed me off applying for hardship,jc staff telling me I wouldn't get it because I don't have kids and I'm not disabled. I'd just been kicked out of my mum's house (we don't get on that's an understatement) and I was living in a new area where I hadn't yet made any friends in a freezing damp flat (which was actually a converted shed thing) I tried calling my mum loads of times but she didn't want to know I had no money for electric to heat the flat,wasn't allowed a crisis loan and had no friends to help me out and there used to be ice on the inside of my windows in the mornings.I was running out of food and didn't know where a foodbank was or how to get referred to one.I got sick with a cold or something which went on to my chest and wouldn't go I still had it after about 4 weeks and it was getting worse I was stealing fruit from the market by this time I genuinely thought I was going to end up with pneumonia and get so sick that I couldn't leave the house and that no one would no what had happened until they found my decomposed body in there one day lol through all this I had my "landlord" harassing me because my housing benefit had been stopped.If it wasn't for a lovely kind lady at the welfare advice place helping me to appeal and even giving me money out of her own pocket when I went in there in tears one day I might have actually died.and I was a physically healthy 21 year old to start with.

tomtom256

me123456789 wrote: »

To anyone who says you can't die from having your benefits stopped I beg to differ-I had mine stopped for nothing a couple of years ago. I think it was an appointment they never informed me about that I missed or something like that I can't remember now, they are always trying stuff like that. I wasn't working at the time so it was my only source of income. They fobbed me off applying for hardship,jc staff telling me I wouldn't get it because I don't have kids and I'm not disabled. I'd just been kicked out of my mum's house (we don't get on that's an understatement) and I was living in a new area where I hadn't yet made any friends in a freezing damp flat (which was actually a converted shed thing) I tried calling my mum loads of times but she didn't want to know I had no money for electric to heat the flat,wasn't allowed a crisis loan and had no friends to help me out and there used to be ice on the inside of my windows in the mornings.I was running out of food and didn't know where a foodbank was or how to get referred to one.I got sick with a cold or something which went on to my chest and wouldn't go I still had it after about 4 weeks and it was getting worse I was stealing fruit from the market by this time I genuinely thought I was going to end up with pneumonia and get so sick that I couldn't leave the house and that no one would no what had happened until they found my decomposed body in there one day lol through all this I had my "landlord" harassing me because my housing benefit had been stopped.If it wasn't for a lovely kind lady at the welfare advice place helping me to appeal and even giving me money out of her own pocket when I went in there in tears one day I might have actually died.and I was a physically healthy 21 year old to start with.

But you didn't die, so how can you beg to differ?

me123456789

tomtom256 wrote: »

But you didn't die, so how can you beg to differ?

true lol but it was a scary experience and it doesn't surprise me at all that people have died as a result of the dwp and atos

controversy

To be honest I think most people on MSE are unqualified to speak on these matters.

General anxiety & depression doesn't make you as similar to someone who has a Personality Disorder or someone who has Schizophrenia. This is why I avoid this part of MSE because most people on here are ignorant of others.

I have had the privilege of knowing a popular DPAC activist called Paula Peters. She literally got sectioned under the mental health act because any mention of Ian Duncan Smith or the Work Capability Assessment made her go into a paranoid panic attack.

I consider myself a expert on this sort of thing because I have a disability which is very close to the symptoms of Border Line Personality disorder and I am categorized as a Psychopath.

Now while our disabilities are inherently different I do know that a lot of Paula's friends have committed suicide due to the Work Capability Assessment.

Unlike most people on here who are denying the statistics due to their personal experiences I actually went to talk to Paula on the DPAC facebook community group. You can go at any time. Just search DPAC community on facebook.

Anyway I hope that solves the fact away from fiction.

red_devil

tomtom256 wrote: »

But you didn't die, so how can you beg to differ?

The poster ahould never have had their money stopped. Its a well known fact that the Gvt is handing out sanctions willy nilly to punish people on benefits.

Sanctions should be banned. They do nothing to help people into work either, you are meant to have money to live on by law also.

xHannahx

DWP can't claim its DPA that stops that handing over data. The DPA act only covers living people. I also suspect that may mean the information commissioner won't intervene.

NYM

Sanctions may just be that 'final straw' that pushes someone over the edge.

It is wrong to suggest that the sanctions/lack of money caused any deaths, but if everything else in your life is in a mess, it would take a very strong person to be able to rise above it all.

bloolagoon

NYM wrote: »

Sanctions may just be that 'final straw' that pushes someone over the edge.

It is wrong to suggest that the sanctions/lack of money caused any deaths, but if everything else in your life is in a mess, it would take a very strong person to be able to rise above it all.

It is very hard and yes certainly the final straw - but that final straw can be many things, debt, work stress, redundancy, relationships, loss of loved ones.