We are committed to the NHS, we have more doctors...

ToriP

The increased number of graduates would drive salaries down.
I can imagine there would be some who think why bother with
The best A levels, 5 year degree, FY1 and FY2 and then up to 7 years on the speciality training pathway.

I'm sure pay isn't everything to them, but it's nice to be rewarded well for such hard work

I'm not averse to mathematicians or physicists being paid well either?

CLAPTON

ToriP wrote: »

The increased number of graduates would drive salaries down.
I can imagine there would be some who think why bother with
The best A levels, 5 year degree, FY1 and FY2 and then up to 7 years on the speciality training pathway.

I'm sure pay isn't everything to them, but it's nice to be rewarded well for such hard work

I'm not averse to mathematicians or physicists being paid well either?

science graduates normally do a 4 year degree
some then do a 3 /4 year PhD
and then a post doc few years
before getting a proper job




I understand that FY1/2 and then 7 year pathway doctors are being paid with practically guaranteed excellent long term 100k+ prospects


lots of excellent graduates don't do so well

ToriP

I'm not disagreeing that science graduates should be paid well.

I just don't understand what there is to gain from not rewarding medics sufficiently for the hard work and responsibility they undertake

Before you say it, I'm sure a science graduate also works hard

CLAPTON

ToriP wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing that science graduates should be paid well.

I just don't understand what there is to gain from not rewarding medics sufficiently for the hard work and responsibility they undertake

Before you say it, I'm sure a science graduate also works hard

I've made no comment about what doctors should be paid
but we should train more


science graduates are paid via the market : doctors by the taxpayer

Mistermeaner

Because demand outstrips supply wages are inflated but also service suffers, the doctors are stretched and we expect nurses and others to act up.

System struggles as a result of bmj keeping members rich - hardly in the public's interest. Benefit of the few at expense of the many.

Generali

http://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/bachelor_medicine_bachelor_surgery.php

someone's got something wrong because the website is pretty clear that the course is available to self-funded students from the UK and EU plus international students.

antrobus

BobQ wrote: »

What they say........

We will provide an extra £8b for the NHS.....

What they do........

'They' haven't done anything.

There has always been a government cap on student numbers. What the previous coalition announced in 2013, was that they were going to remove the cap, with the exception of medicine, where the cap remained.

BobQ wrote: »

...Meanwhile we fund cheap courses on media studies

That's right. Media studies is cheap. If you'd read that BBC report, you'd have noticed that the University of Central Lancashire is charging £36,500 per year, a total of £182,500 for the five-year course.

antrobus

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Me sir me sir

Is it because the British medical whatsitsname limits places each year in order to keep wages inflated through limited supply?

There is that. From 2008;

Delegates at the annual BMA conference voted by a narrow majority to restrict the number of places at medical schools to avoid “overproduction of doctors with limited career opportunities.” They also agreed on a complete ban on opening new medical schools.

http://www.bmj.com/content/337/bmj.a748

Presumably the BMA will now be upset that the UCL has opened a new medical school.

CLAPTON wrote: »

why don't we train more doctors?

Isn't that what UCL are doing? Does the nationality of the doctor concerned matter?

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

There is that. From 2008;

Delegates at the annual BMA conference voted by a narrow majority to restrict the number of places at medical schools to avoid “overproduction of doctors with limited career opportunities.” They also agreed on a complete ban on opening new medical schools.

http://www.bmj.com/content/337/bmj.a748

Presumably the BMA will now be upset that the UCL has opened a new medical school.



Isn't that what UCL are doing? Does the nationality of the doctor concerned matter?

yes the nationality does matter

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes the nationality does matter

Why?

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