Changing the rear brakes on a VW Tiguan

Strider590

AdrianC wrote: »

EOBD has been a legal requirement on all new cars in the EU since 2001 (petrol)/2004 (diesel).

Both the US OBDII and EU EOBD diagnostics, though, are just a subset of the full engine management diagnostics, and don't do any other vehicle systems - so the manufacturer systems (or something compatible) are needed. Any half-decent garage have had compatible diagnostics for a decade or more, though. They can't work without them.

No they can't and that's why the manufacturers keep changing things, to stop small garages taking business from their franchised dealerships.

AdrianC

They don't "keep" changing things. It's just that some garages aren't quite fully into the 21st century yet. Still.

bigjl

Indeed AdrianC

Snap On kit starts from a few thousand that has much of the functionality of VagCom or CanClip.

Maybe not in reprogramming more complex things on the vehicle but certainly stuff like the EPB

You can also buy specific tools for just for EPB, with the number of cars with them it makes sense for any decent mechanic to have one.

arcon5

You can buy EPB tools for a few hundred quid.

But some, like Renault, have cables still and an actuator - the actuator gets programmed when replaced and even snap on diagnostic equipment won't do it.

david29dpo

Thank god i still have my old Mini!

EcoR1

bigjl wrote: »

As far as I was aware you don't need a specific (VW) tool but you. Do require decent quality diagnostic kit.

It isn't cheap and most garages use Snap On kit for this.

VW is one manufacturer (Vag Com) that has manufacturer specific diagnostics, Renault CanClip is another.

I don't know any decent garage that struggles to do brakes on VAG cars.

Most cars with an electronic parking brake require diagnostics to be used when doing the rear brakes. I don't know of any that don't require diagnostics to be honest but one may exist.

Says all you need to know about F1 Autocentres.

Vag com is not a VW tool, it's aftermarket and is called VCDS now.

bigjl

EcoR1 wrote: »

Vag com is not a VW tool, it's aftermarket and is called VCDS now.

I didn't know that, done a quick Google after reading your post and you are spot on.

I was always told it was a VAG product by those that had it!

I though there were just some "knock off" versions available online.

Just as there are "knock off" version of CanClip.

fred246

I've done loads of jobs on my VW with a £17 lead off ebay and a unregistered version of VAG-COM. Paying for registration allows you to do things like scanning all modules at once while I have to do them individually. It's unbelievable the dealers charge £70 to 'put it on the computer' when my whole system was £17.

Fella

VW dealers (probably all of them but I've not really used any others) are shockingly expensive. They wanted £160 to change a battery (same battery with 5 years warranty was £50-ish supplied & fitted from a place 100 yards up the road). They also wanted £500 to change a part costing £200. I rang an independent VW specialist & he ordered the part from them & fitted it for me while I waited in less than an hour for which he charged £45.

I actually wouldn't mind paying a little over the odds for the convenience etc of using a dealer but VW don't just want a little over the odds, they literally want double or treble what a repair should cost.

I've never understood why the motor industry is so unregulated. If banks, energy companies, supermarkets etc tried similar they would be brought into line (at least eventually even if not immediately). Motor manufacturers seem to have been granted an indefinite free licence to rip off it's customers to an eye-watering extent.

AdrianC

Fella wrote: »

I've never understood why the motor industry is so unregulated. If banks, energy companies, supermarkets etc tried similar they would be brought into line (at least eventually even if not immediately). Motor manufacturers seem to have been granted an indefinite free licence to rip off it's customers to an eye-watering extent.

Quite the opposite. It has been explicitly illegal for over a decade for a manufacturer to void the warranty because you've had the car serviced outside the franchised dealer network.