Clock-in attendance system

iammumtoone

usefulmale wrote: »

Absolute twaddle. Once you 'clock in' you ARE at work and are being paid for your time. Setting up the machines IS work just as operating them is. Are you suggesting that if, in the middle of the shift, the machine needs retooling / resetting etc, that the employee should not get paid?

I didn't read it as the OP was supposed to set up the machines in his own time. I read it he had to be ready to set up the machines at 9 (his start time). meaning he would need to clock in 10 mins earlier to be allow time to get to his machine ready to set up at 9.

I also think it depends what machine people are referring to. To expect an office worker to have their PC turned on and ready before start time is completely different to expect a factory worker to have his complicated machine set up (which could take ages) before work time.

London50

usefulmale wrote: »

Absolute twaddle. Once you 'clock in' you ARE at work and are being paid for your time. Setting up the machines IS work just as operating them is. Are you suggesting that if, in the middle of the shift, the machine needs retooling / resetting etc, that the employee should not get paid?

you MAY be at work BUT YOU ARE NOT WORKING until you are at your desk/station

tomtontom

usefulmale wrote: »

Absolute twaddle. Once you 'clock in' you ARE at work and are being paid for your time. Setting up the machines IS work just as operating them is. Are you suggesting that if, in the middle of the shift, the machine needs retooling / resetting etc, that the employee should not get paid?

I used to work at a site where I was based twenty mins walk from the main gate, where we signed in. Are you suggesting I should be paid 40 mins walking time each day?

Elfbert

I think this kind of thing really depends on the set up of the workplace.

My first job, I had to be working between - say - 0730 and 1600. I was taking over the shift from someone, and someone was taking over from me. Therefore we all had to be at the 'start position' at the allotted time - otherwise you were making someone else work extra. All other business/getting changed/walking to the workstation - had to be done before or after the work time, and if you were late everyone hated you

Nowadays I still clock in and out, but it's very relaxed. I clock in when I get there and am 'ready' to begin work (ie got my PPE on). I clock out when I'm done working and about to get changed into civvies, and I'm paid everything in between (apart from a lunch break). But my work time now has very little impact on anyone else, so this is all good.

torbrex

anuglyguy wrote: »

Hi there,

My first post on this forum...

I work in a factory, where clocking-in attendance system has been recently installed; the clocking in machine is situated next to managers' office, and actual workplaces are situated in the distance of from 1 to 10 minutes on foot from the machine.

We were told by our managers that if for instance my shift is 4pm till 9pm, I have to clock-in BEFORE 4pm, then at 4pm I have to be in my workplace (which is sometimes 10 minutes on foot from the machine - which means I have to clock in at at least 3.50pm); then at 9pm I have to leave my workplace, go to managers' office and clock out.


My question is: if my shift is 4pm till 9pm, do I have to be in my actual workplace at those times, or do I have to clock-in/clock-out at those times? As I said before, it takes me up to 10 minutes to get from clocking-in machine to my actual working place.


Thank you in advance,
kind regards...

To put it simply, you are paid to work so you are expected to be at your work station at the appointed time, if that means that you need to clock in 10 minutes early then so be it, that 10 minutes is still your journey to work.

anuglyguy wrote: »

Well, I am not on a national minimum wage, but:
1: who is going to pay for the time I spend on setting up the machines? 20 minutes a day give 7 hours a month...
2: what if I have an accident while setting up the machines? Would I be able to claim any compensation as the accident would happen outside contracted working hours?

If setting up the machine is part of your job then you still start work at the appointed time, if that means that you need to spend 20 minutes setting up the machine and everyone else has to wait then that is not your problem, you started work on time and no-one can say anything against you.

If they want production to start at 4pm then the machine should be set up before you get there by the outgoing shift who after all will still be at the machine when you get there.

usefulmale

tomtontom wrote: »

I used to work at a site where I was based twenty mins walk from the main gate, where we signed in. Are you suggesting I should be paid 40 mins walking time each day?

If you are stupid enough to give 40 minutes unpaid time away, instead of having your employer sign you in closer to where you work, thats your lookout. Like I said before, if the machinery breaks down half way through a shift, or there is a power cut or something, are you happy for your pay to be docked for the time you are spending doing nothing, even though its out of your control?

tomtontom

usefulmale wrote: »

If you are stupid enough to give 40 minutes unpaid time away, instead of having your employer sign you in closer to where you work, thats your lookout. Like I said before, if the machinery breaks down half way through a shift, or there is a power cut or something, are you happy for your pay to be docked for the time you are spending doing nothing, even though its out of your control?

It is a secure site, they couldn't do it any closer. What is the difference between me signing in at 8.40 to be at my desk by 9am, or not signing in but still having to be at my desk by 9am? My journey is exactly the same.

I'm not the stupid one making a big deal out of nothing. You're just incapable of seeing the bigger picture

London50

if the machinery breaks down half way through a shift, or there is a power cut or something

Both of those situations are totally irrelevant, you may be lucky enough to work in a company that does not expect you to clock on and off but in all the years I was working it was normal to do so and working in one of the factories I did it was not a walk from the clock on/off area it was a bus ride. All workers were expected to be at their posts at the start of their shift so you arrived in time to clock then ride to your station. If anything broke down/power cuts you stayed at your station until things were running again and got paid as those things were beyond your control. Being at your post at your start time is/was something you can control and if the company you work for states that they are part of your contract you have two choices either comply or find somewhere else to work.
These days it seems to me there are too many that want the cake but are not prepared to do the graft to get it and I am glad I am of the old school that believe a good days WORK for a good days pay instead of this idea/feeling that once I walk outside my front door to travel to work I am entitled to be paid.

getmore4less

If you have to go past the clock machine to get to work there is no issue.

if the position of the machine results in you having to take a detour then the excess time would be work time.
Allthough the employer can fix that by only having one way in past the clock machine.

Setting up machines , log in to computers is work time.
(may be unpaid but is covered by NMW)

Podge52

London50 wrote: »

if the machinery breaks down half way through a shift, or there is a power cut or something

Both of those situations are totally irrelevant, you may be lucky enough to work in a company that does not expect you to clock on and off but in all the years I was working it was normal to do so and working in one of the factories I did it was not a walk from the clock on/off area it was a bus ride. All workers were expected to be at their posts at the start of their shift so you arrived in time to clock then ride to your station. If anything broke down/power cuts you stayed at your station until things were running again and got paid as those things were beyond your control. Being at your post at your start time is/was something you can control and if the company you work for states that they are part of your contract you have two choices either comply or find somewhere else to work.
These days it seems to me there are too many that want the cake but are not prepared to do the graft to get it and I am glad I am of the old school that believe a good days WORK for a good days pay instead of this idea/feeling that once I walk outside my front door to travel to work I am entitled to be paid.

The thread is about clocking times, it's not about being paid to travel to work from your front door so I'm not sure why you have posted the bolded part of your post.