Wages are growing at their fastest rate for six years - + 2.9% YoY

bsms1147

Junior Doctors (many, many thousands of people) are facing a ~30% real terms pay cut from August.

Thrugelmir

bsms1147 wrote: »

Junior Doctors (many, many thousands of people) are facing a ~30% real terms pay cut from August.

£1 in £10 the Government spends is borrowed money. Why should Junior Doctors be treated any differently to the rest of the public sector?

CLAPTON

bsms1147 wrote: »

Junior Doctors (many, many thousands of people) are facing a ~30% real terms pay cut from August.

any chance of telling us the actual facts?

bsms1147

CLAPTON wrote: »

any chance of telling us the actual facts?

What else is there to add?

Anyone not a consultant or GP faces longer hours, more antisocial hours, for less pay. 9pm on a Saturday night being classed as social hours and counting the same as 9am on a weekday. Removal of safeguards for breaking the EWTD. Widening of the gender pay divide, plenty more fun things to look forward to.

If someone told you you were now to do the same or more work for a third less pay, what would you do?

Thrugelmir wrote: »

£1 in £10 the Government spends is borrowed money. Why should Junior Doctors be treated any differently to the rest of the public sector?

I don't see any other public sector workers having a new contract forced on them that puts them on a third less pay. Not yet at least.

CLAPTON

bsms1147 wrote: »

What else is there to add?

Anyone not a consultant or GP faces longer hours, more antisocial hours, for less pay. 9pm on a Saturday night being classed as social hours and counting the same as 9am on a weekday. Removal of safeguards for breaking the EWTD. Widening of the gender pay divide, plenty more fun things to look forward to.

If someone told you you were now to do the same or more work for a third less pay, what would you do?

I don't see any other public sector workers having a new contract forced on them that puts them on a third less pay. Not yet at least.

you could tell us the actual facts

bsms1147

CLAPTON wrote: »

you could tell us the actual facts

http://www.nhsemployers.org/news/2015/09/update-on-consultant-and-junior-doctors-contracts
http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2015/september/the-bma-will-fight-any-attempts-to-impose-a-contract
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/i-dont-blame-doctors-for-walking-out-of-pay-negotiations-with-the-government-10506483.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34280571/junior-doctors-say-contract-changes-will-risk-lives
https://www.change.org/p/british-medical-association-strike-action

CLAPTON

bsms1147 wrote: »

http://www.nhsemployers.org/news/2015/09/update-on-consultant-and-junior-doctors-contracts
http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2015/september/the-bma-will-fight-any-attempts-to-impose-a-contract
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/i-dont-blame-doctors-for-walking-out-of-pay-negotiations-with-the-government-10506483.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34280571/junior-doctors-say-contract-changes-will-risk-lives
https://www.change.org/p/british-medical-association-strike-action

what are the new payscales and for whom?

bsms1147

CLAPTON wrote: »

what are the new payscales and for whom?

Noone knows what pay will be (which in itself is a problem), but based on the favoured scenario put forward by the DDRB, pay will likely be 20-30% less. Some doctors will be losing 50%+. All for worse hours and fewer safeguards.

It is planned to affect all junior doctors (which covers all doctors who aren't consultants), from next year, regardless of stage of career and regardless of preexisting contracts.

Someone who started a five year training scheme, for example, this year, and who expected to receive a certain amount of pay for the next five years, and so based financial decisions on that pay, may find themselves proverbially screwed.

General overview

What I have distilled from the new Junior Doctors' contract being IMPOSED by the government from 2016:
· Doctors working more, for less
· Increase in basic pay for hospital doctors but abolishment of banding (unsocial hours) supplement – real-term pay cuts of up to 30% with acute specialities set to lose the most
· GP trainees lose supplement – 31% of pay
· End of pay progression – those taking time out of training (research, starting families) lose out
· End of pay protection for those switching speciality
· Extension of plain time to include 0700-2200 Mon to Sat – working a Saturday evening is the same as a midweek morning
· No overtime pay
· No sanctions on hospitals who routinely overwork us
Who loses out?
· Doctors - work more for less, devalued, demoralised
· Patients - their safety being put in jeopardy by an increasingly overworked and disenfranchised workforce
Who wins?
· Government – save money
· NHS Employers – free work
We voice our concerns but are not listened to. This is how the government and NHS Employers repays its dedicated staff.

Thrugelmir

bsms1147 wrote: »

I don't see any other public sector workers having a new contract forced on them that puts them on a third less pay. Not yet at least.

At least in your line of work keeping your job isn't an issue. Better to be paid something than not paid at all. We're budgeting on a 25% - 40% cutback in line with the BIS 2020 review. This is on top of of the cutbacks made in the 2010-15 spending review. In which we reduced headcount by 18%. Yet we still maintain the same level of services.

CLAPTON

bsms1147 wrote: »

Noone knows what pay will be (which in itself is a problem), but based on the favoured scenario put forward by the DDRB, pay will likely be 20-30% less. Some doctors will be losing 50%+. All for worse hours and fewer safeguards.

It is planned to affect all junior doctors (which covers all doctors who aren't consultants), from next year, regardless of stage of career and regardless of preexisting contracts.

Someone who started a five year training scheme, for example, this year, and who expected to receive a certain amount of pay for the next five years, and so based financial decisions on that pay, may find themselves proverbially screwed.

General overview

Pathetic union, left wing, self interested drivel