Yahoo email server hacked worldwide? Or is it just me?!

agarnett

That's interesting tronator about someone who has both the spoofed sender and the unfortunate recipient being the (third?) party that has been hacked by a virus.

But I think many of us probably have our own contact details buried in our address books however deliberately or inadvertently so that brings it back to the two party conundrum - is it the spoofed sender or is it me that's been hacked? We shouldn't have to live with these worries if proper investigation and enforcement was seriously on any government's mind, eh?

tronator

agarnett wrote: »

That's interesting tronator about someone who has both the spoofed sender and the unfortunate recipient being the (third?) party that has been hacked by a virus.

But I think many of us probably have our own contact details buried in our address books however deliberately or inadvertently so that brings it back to the two party conundrum - is it the spoofed sender or is it me that's been hacked? We shouldn't have to live with these worries if proper investigation and enforcement was seriously on any government's mind, eh?

How would that even work? Assume I wrote a letter to you and put your cousin's address on the back as the sender. Then I throw the letter in any mailbox...

How would anyone find out who I am? It's even more complicated since the Internet is a global thing. What does the government have to do with it? Just use common sense, ignore these emails and move on.

Double_V

Windows Live Mail is now Outlook ?
Or are these two different.
And Windows 10 mail client is that based on Outlook or also different ?

wongataa

Double_V wrote: »

Windows Live Mail is now Outlook ?

Nope. Two different pieces of software that can both handle email.

Double_V wrote: »

And Windows 10 mail client is that based on Outlook or also different ?

The Windows 10 mail app is not Outlook either. Outlook is the mail client for Microsoft Office and is primarily aimed at corporate usage.

agarnett

tronator wrote: »

How would that even work? Assume I wrote a letter to you and put your cousin's address on the back as the sender. Then I throw the letter in any mailbox...

Now I am a little disappointed, tronator. In your earlier posting I thought you were trying to be helpful. Now you seem to be ridiculing any suggestion we need change.

So you've forged a snail mail letter to me ostensibly from my cousin. Where did you get my cousin's address and how do you know I am linked to that person?

Let's say your letter contains Anthrax or a bomb.

Still no enforcement? No tracking based on which postbag the mail arrived in at the sorting office? No CCTV in the vicinity of the postbox?

OK what about your handwriting? Seen it before on something similar that has caused trouble elsewhere have we?

How would anyone find out who I am? It's even more complicated since the Internet is a global thing.

Oh that's a surely insurmountable problem then! Maybe we could just target a satellite to surveil the places or postboxes you tend to use and just wait. Then when someone likely to be you starts posting, we target a drone to take you out. Oh wait, we've switched from letters back to emails, haven't we? Tough one, then ... no satellites and drones on the internet and the postboxes aren't painted red and standing on handy corners :rotfl:

What does the government have to do with it?

Everything, they have the power to track you down in the street or on the internet if the combined weight of will of the people you impersonate and trick demands it.

Just use common sense, ignore these emails and move on.

My common sense tells me you haven't a clue what the risks of moving on are for anyone but yourself (maybe), or how enforcement could be executed.

Don't worry, we get it. Sh|t happens. You don't care enough to worry about how it affects others. Maybe you don't have much to lose. Hell, there may even be a majority of people like you to cause the government to lose no sleep over it, whatsoever.

You do however want others to understand that you understand what you are doing and don't need help.

So is anything important to police and enforce? Or does anything go anywhere anytime, globally and if we don't like it we just switch off and move on?

J_B

wongataa wrote: »

Outlook is the mail client for Microsoft Office and is primarily aimed at corporate usage.

Not forgetting that it's also another name for hotmail, just so as not to confuse us!!!

buglawton

agarnett wrote: »

Now I am a little disappointed, tronator. In your earlier posting I thought you were trying to be helpful. Now you seem to be ridiculing any suggestion we need change.

So you've forged a snail mail letter to me ostensibly from my cousin. Where did you get my cousin's address and how do you know I am linked to that person?

Let's say your letter contains Anthrax or a bomb.

Still no enforcement? No tracking based on which postbag the mail arrived in at the sorting office? No CCTV in the vicinity of the postbox?

OK what about your handwriting? Seen it before on something similar that has caused trouble elsewhere have we?

Oh that's a surely insurmountable problem then! Maybe we could just target a satellite to surveil the places or postboxes you tend to use and just wait. Then when someone likely to be you starts posting, we target a drone to take you out. Oh wait, we've switched from letters back to emails, haven't we? Tough one, then ... no satellites and drones on the internet and the postboxes aren't painted red and standing on handy corners :rotfl:

Everything, they have the power to track you down in the street or on the internet if the combined weight of will of the people you impersonate and trick demands it.
My common sense tells me you haven't a clue what the risks of moving on are for anyone but yourself (maybe), or how enforcement could be executed.

Don't worry, we get it. Sh|t happens. You don't care enough to worry about how it affects others. Maybe you don't have much to lose. Hell, there may even be a majority of people like you to cause the government to lose no sleep over it, whatsoever.

You do however want others to understand that you understand what you are doing and don't need help.

So is anything important to police and enforce? Or does anything go anywhere anytime, globally and if we don't like it we just switch off and move on?

There are standard spam filters that use heuristic rules. In my instance that correctly put the suspect email into the spam folder. What Yahoo mail does not yet seem to do is extra heuristics based on what it knows about your contacts. Also I'm not sure it inspects suspect links to check them for malware. All said it is indeed a good idea to pop up on popular tech threads like this to compare suspicions about big systematic hacks.

wongataa

J_B wrote: »

Not forgetting that it's also another name for hotmail, just so as not to confuse us!!!

That's Outlook.com, not Outlook!

wongataa

agarnett wrote: »

Now I am a little disappointed, tronator. In your earlier posting I thought you were trying to be helpful. Now you seem to be ridiculing any suggestion we need change.

So you've forged a snail mail letter to me ostensibly from my cousin. Where did you get my cousin's address and how do you know I am linked to that person?

You are forgetting that many of these spammers just put random spoofed return email addresses or just any old email address from a big list they got somewhere. As a result of this people will get a spam email with a spoofed return email that they recognise at some point. This usually is just coincidence and the spammers don't necessarily have any idea which email addresses might be somehow linked.

If you get spam just delete it and move on with life.

tronator

agarnett wrote: »

Now I am a little disappointed, tronator. In your earlier posting I thought you were trying to be helpful. Now you seem to be ridiculing any suggestion we need change.

So you've forged a snail mail letter to me ostensibly from my cousin. Where did you get my cousin's address and how do you know I am linked to that person?

Let's say your letter contains Anthrax or a bomb.

Still no enforcement? No tracking based on which postbag the mail arrived in at the sorting office? No CCTV in the vicinity of the postbox?

OK what about your handwriting? Seen it before on something similar that has caused trouble elsewhere have we?

Oh that's a surely insurmountable problem then! Maybe we could just target a satellite to surveil the places or postboxes you tend to use and just wait. Then when someone likely to be you starts posting, we target a drone to take you out. Oh wait, we've switched from letters back to emails, haven't we? Tough one, then ... no satellites and drones on the internet and the postboxes aren't painted red and standing on handy corners :rotfl:

Everything, they have the power to track you down in the street or on the internet if the combined weight of will of the people you impersonate and trick demands it.
My common sense tells me you haven't a clue what the risks of moving on are for anyone but yourself (maybe), or how enforcement could be executed.

Don't worry, we get it. Sh|t happens. You don't care enough to worry about how it affects others. Maybe you don't have much to lose. Hell, there may even be a majority of people like you to cause the government to lose no sleep over it, whatsoever.

You do however want others to understand that you understand what you are doing and don't need help.

So is anything important to police and enforce? Or does anything go anywhere anytime, globally and if we don't like it we just switch off and move on?

I don't know whether I should answer to your post. I gave you a real world analogy so that you might understand the problem. If you wish, replace "I" with "someone" in my last post.

Of course, if someone sends a letter with anthrax or a bomb it needs to be investigated. Are you comparing your little spam email with that?

You say the government has the power to track down every single spam email? In theory they could try, but we're talking about millions, if not billions, emails every day where John's Pizza around the corner sends his leaflets to people.

I think I'll leave it to that...