Not aware of complaints and problems

Thrugelmir

967stuart wrote: »

This place is a village... so you'd think it would be nice...
Unfortunately, this shelter seems to be the "place to be" for the down and outs.

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That's the trouble with being a NIMBY. When I lived in a village the incoming townies couldn't get used to the Cocks crowing at dawn or the Racehorses coming out the yard at 5.30 or the stable lads rolling out the pub after a winner that day. Living in an expensive house is a rural location comes with many challenges. I now have a quieter life living in a town close to the centre but ia quiet backwater.

TBeckett100

I've bit my tongue on previous properties knowing that a dispute has to be declared.

kinger101

The dispute questions of the property information form tend to refer to neighbour disputes rather than antisocial behaviour at bus stops etc.

For example Q2 here;

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/support-services/documents/TA6-form-specimen/

I'm sorry, but if you want to know whether an area has this type of problem, you should check the publicly available crime maps and park up outside the property at observe what's happening at various times of day before putting in an offer.

I don't see that the vendor has mislead here. Just a buyer who neglected their due diligence.

moneyistooshorttomention

kinger101 wrote: »

The dispute questions of the property information form tend to refer to neighbour disputes rather than antisocial behaviour at bus stops etc.

For example Q2 here;

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/support-services/documents/TA6-form-specimen/

I'm sorry, but if you want to know whether an area has this type of problem, you should check the publicly available crime maps and park up outside the property at observe what's happening at various times of day before putting in an offer.

I don't see that the vendor has mislead here. Just a buyer who neglected their due diligence.

That question 2.2 is phrased "Is the seller aware of anything which might lead to a dispute about the property or a property nearby?".

Personally, the first point that arose in my mind is the definition of "property". I doubt "property" just means neighbours' houses. I would imagine it includes absolutely any "building or structure" and that could certainly be argued as to what exactly that one little word meant. I would imagine quite a few people would interpret the word in quite a broad sense.

The second point being re the "anything which might lead to a dispute" - it doesn't say the dispute has to be with the neighbours. Worded like that, I would/did interpret it as meaning = any dispute of any description that might occur that involved the house-owner.

So = bus-stop is a building or structure.

The disputatious situation wouldn't arise if OP had bought a house that wasn't near that bus stop. Vendor must have known/almost certainly did know about the antisocial behaviour focusing around that bus stop.

I wouldn't lay odds on OP's vendor being "in the clear" on this. If I were a betting person = I'd bet the other way as to what was meant when that question was worded out.

EDIT; I wonder if anyone like Richard Webster is around reading the Boards at the moment and how a retired solicitor like him would interpret that question??

dimbo61

If the bus shelter is Right next to your home and garden have you look at


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2343706/Couple-installed-high-pitch-mosquito-alarm-ward-racist-teen-vandals-investigation-noise-nuisance.html


Not sure how legal they are ????

gadgetmind

I like the idea of the mosquito as it doesn't affect legitimate bus shelter users as much as vile smells or <shudder> vile music.

thistledome

967stuart wrote: »

I know 'teens will be teens'.... but unless you've had issues yourself, then I think it's hard to understand how horrible it is having gangs right outside your home drinking, screaming and shouting etc.

People who've not experienced this don't understand how much it affects your life. Sympathy OP, but apart from logging complaints with the police, there doesn't seem to be much you can do.

People who think it's just "kids having fun" are being naive, IMO. I wonder if Garry Newlove's concerns were brushed off with similar comments?

cavework

You live in a village , so do I.
Are these undesirables holding raves in the Bus shelter outside of your house?
What times are you finding that having the bus shelter outside of your house is causing major problems?
Local Bobby will help you with this
Most kids over 16 will be in the local town.. most kids under 16 will have to go home by 11pm or parents start coming looking for them.
Most neighbours will know almost all those kids in the village
I think you have bought your house and are now looking at any way to get rid of the bus stop outside your home..
Welcome to living in a village

kinger101

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

That question 2.2 is phrased "Is the seller aware of anything which might lead to a dispute about the property or a property nearby?".

Personally, the first point that arose in my mind is the definition of "property". I doubt "property" just means neighbours' houses. I would imagine it includes absolutely any "building or structure" and that could certainly be argued as to what exactly that one little word meant. I would imagine quite a few people would interpret the word in quite a broad sense.

The second point being re the "anything which might lead to a dispute" - it doesn't say the dispute has to be with the neighbours. Worded like that, I would/did interpret it as meaning = any dispute of any description that might occur that involved the house-owner.

So = bus-stop is a building or structure.

The disputatious situation wouldn't arise if OP had bought a house that wasn't near that bus stop. Vendor must have known/almost certainly did know about the antisocial behaviour focusing around that bus stop.

I wouldn't lay odds on OP's vendor being "in the clear" on this. If I were a betting person = I'd bet the other way as to what was meant when that question was worded out.

EDIT; I wonder if anyone like Richard Webster is around reading the Boards at the moment and how a retired solicitor like him would interpret that question??

In my mind, "dispute about the property or a property nearby" refers to the house in question and neighbouring houses, not street furniture.

The vendor is not expected to have expert legal knowledge when completing the form, so their interpretation of the form, and not that of a legal professional, is what matters.

Dan-Dan

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

That question 2.2 is phrased "Is the seller aware of anything which might lead to a dispute about the property or a property nearby?".

Personally, the first point that arose in my mind is the definition of "property". I doubt "property" just means neighbours' houses. I would imagine it includes absolutely any "building or structure" and that could certainly be argued as to what exactly that one little word meant. I would imagine quite a few people would interpret the word in quite a broad sense.

The second point being re the "anything which might lead to a dispute" - it doesn't say the dispute has to be with the neighbours. Worded like that, I would/did interpret it as meaning = any dispute of any description that might occur that involved the house-owner.

So = bus-stop is a building or structure.

The disputatious situation wouldn't arise if OP had bought a house that wasn't near that bus stop. Vendor must have known/almost certainly did know about the antisocial behaviour focusing around that bus stop.

I wouldn't lay odds on OP's vendor being "in the clear" on this. If I were a betting person = I'd bet the other way as to what was meant when that question was worded out.

EDIT; I wonder if anyone like Richard Webster is around reading the Boards at the moment and how a retired solicitor like him would interpret that question??

Its rare to read so much codswallop in one reply