Newbie renter access question

Guest101

bobbymotors wrote: »

Why wouldn't it be convenient? There's no need for the tenant to be there.


And if they think I might steal £20 out of their top drawer while I'm there then I wouldn't want them as tenants anyway...


Apart from being the law it's for the tenants safety so there's really no arguing about it.


For the record, I NEVER turn up unannounced or anything but a gas check is different.

1: it's polite to ask before entering someone else's property.
2: 'wouldn't want them as tenants' won't protect you from the claim that their watch/laptop/cash has gone missing
3: some people prefer to be there
4: why should the tenant trust you, chances are they've met you for about 10 minutes, once, maybe.

bobbymotors

Guest101 wrote: »

1: it's polite to ask before entering someone else's property.
2: 'wouldn't want them as tenants' won't protect you from the claim that their watch/laptop/cash has gone missing
3: some people prefer to be there
4: why should the tenant trust you, chances are they've met you for about 10 minutes, once, maybe.

1. I do 'ask' as well as inform, it's not done in a rude or condescending way
2. I would ask them to inform the police of any missing items and that I in turn will let them know if I am ever really hard up for £20
3. They might prefer it, and I don't mind either way, but gas engineers work to their schedule not mine or the tenants
4. Because they will know from previous tenants that I wouldn't touch anyone's stuff and new tenants always meet the old tenants and I daresay they ask them if I am a good landlord.
Hopefully I am as I've never had a void in 20 years.
5.Hopefully they are sensible enough to realise that a gas check is for their benefit as much as mine
6. er...that's it

bobbymotors

1. I do 'ask' as well as inform, it's not done in a rude or condescending way and always with several days prior notice
2. I would ask them to inform the police of any missing items and that I in turn will let them know if I am ever really hard up for £20
3. They might prefer it, and I don't mind either way, but gas engineers work to their schedule not mine or the tenants
4. Because they will know from previous tenants that I wouldn't touch anyone's stuff and new tenants always meet the old tenants and I daresay they ask them if I am a good landlord.
Hopefully I am as I've never had a void in 20 years.
5.Hopefully they are sensible enough to realise that a gas check is for their benefit as much as mine
6. er...that's it

Guest101

bobbymotors wrote: »

1. I do 'ask' as well as inform, it's not done in a rude or condescending way and always with several days prior notice
2. I would ask them to inform the police of any missing items and that I in turn will let them know if I am ever really hard up for £20
3. They might prefer it, and I don't mind either way, but gas engineers work to their schedule not mine or the tenants
4. Because they will know from previous tenants that I wouldn't touch anyone's stuff and new tenants always meet the old tenants and I daresay they ask them if I am a good landlord.
Hopefully I am as I've never had a void in 20 years.
5.Hopefully they are sensible enough to realise that a gas check is for their benefit as much as mine
6. er...that's it

Just to quote you above - first 4 words...
I don't even ask.. just inform the tenant that the annual gas safety check is due and that I and the gas engineer will be round on XXX at XXXpm and tell them there's no need for them to be there

I'm not going to get into a debate with you. Your land lording style isn't my cup of tea, but clearly you e had people who don't mind so much.

bobbymotors

I agree that those words are true - it's a call or text just to say 'Hi XXXXX the gas certificate expires shortly so the gasman and I will be round on XXXXX at XXXXpm, you don't need to be there but can be if you want'


It doesn't need to be your cup of tea, and I can tell you now that if you said to me that you definitely did NOT want the gas guy and me to attend to something that could affect your safety then I would only conclude that you were mad.


I have had a case where a boiler went from perfectly safe to highly dangerous in 11 months due to a pernicious ivy growing into the flue


So perhaps that's why I am hot on it now!

Innys1

bobbymotors wrote: »

I agree that those words are true - it's a call or text just to say 'Hi XXXXX the gas certificate expires shortly so the gasman and I will be round on XXXXX at XXXXpm, you don't need to be there but can be if you want'


It doesn't need to be your cup of tea, and I can tell you now that if you said to me that you definitely did NOT want the gas guy and me to attend to something that could affect your safety then I would only conclude that you were mad.

I have had a case where a boiler went from perfectly safe to highly dangerous in 11 months due to a pernicious ivy growing into the flue


So perhaps that's why I am hot on it now!

How did ivy grow down into a flue? For one thing it's dark in there. Second, it's bleedin' hot. Third, the flow of gases would drive any moisture from the leaves. Forth, the gases are noxious for all living things, not just humans.

bobbymotors

Innys1 wrote: »

How did ivy grow down into a flue? For one thing it's dark in there. Second, it's bleedin' hot. Third, the flow of gases would drive any moisture from the leaves. Forth, the gases are noxious for all living things, not just humans.

Not sure I am not a gardener...however I would GUESS that it grew into the flue during the summer when the boiler was not really in use (electric shower, cold feed wash machine and dishwasher) and then once the boiler started to be used regularly again the restriction caused by the woody part of the ivy (I've called it ivy I have no idea what it actually was) caused the dangerous CO readings.


We stripped it all away but despite this the readings were still over limit presumed internal boiler damage due to excess CO and so installed a new boiler and flue.

Guest101

bobbymotors wrote: »

I agree that those words are true - it's a call or text just to say 'Hi XXXXX the gas certificate expires shortly so the gasman and I will be round on XXXXX at XXXXpm, you don't need to be there but can be if you want'


It doesn't need to be your cup of tea, and I can tell you now that if you said to me that you definitely did NOT want the gas guy and me to attend to something that could affect your safety then I would only conclude that you were mad.


I have had a case where a boiler went from perfectly safe to highly dangerous in 11 months due to a pernicious ivy growing into the flue


So perhaps that's why I am hot on it now!

I didn't say that it would be no and that's it. I said if it wasn't convenient.

That text is very overbearing.

Try this:

Hi, the gas safety certificate is due to be renewed soon. I can arrange to attend with the engineer and let you know when it is, alternatively I can pass on your details to the engineer to arrange between yourselves. Many thanks.

Now the tenant can choose. Your text is very much this is what's happening, deal with it.

bobbymotors

Guest101 wrote: »

I didn't say that it would be no and that's it. I said if it wasn't convenient.

That text is very overbearing.

Try this:

Hi, the gas safety certificate is due to be renewed soon. I can arrange to attend with the engineer and let you know when it is, alternatively I can pass on your details to the engineer to arrange between yourselves. Many thanks.

Now the tenant can choose. Your text is very much this is what's happening, deal with it.

Yes, that's not unfair, if the problem ever comes up I'll use that thanks.

Guest101

bobbymotors wrote: »

Yes, that's not unfair, if the problem ever comes up I'll use that thanks.

Just feel your original text was a bit rude.

'You can be there if you want' - well of course they can it's their home.

Anyway all done and dusted.