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custardy wrote: »

paid jobs should be created?

Yes - rather then pushing people into working for nothing while big companies running those "schemes" make mega bucks.

I believe someone has already posted that link..

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/

Read some stories there

3xPrism

Look at the facts. The OP has been out of work for five years. It will be hard for him to find employment anyway being out of work for that long. The JCP have referred him to a CWP or MWA. 90% of people who are put on these programmes do NOT find employment. The statistics are not published for the amount of people who are referred that have received a sanction. But hear this, SEETEC one provider alone over a period of one month in 2014 issued calls for over thirteen thousand people to be sanctioned. In one week alone it made over four thousand calls for people to be sanctioned.

These providers receive large sums of money from the government. In my last post I mentioned the twenty one day period to find a placement. If they find you a placement, they get paid. Large charities have pulled out in their dozens, so what is the alternative?

They are driven by making money. They have little or no decent placements which will benefit someone who has been referred. It is written in their rules that where possible the placement must be in the claimants chosen career path. When you are unable to achieve any of this the only other way to get paid is to sanction.

I volunteer at my local foodbank. The amount of people who use the foodbank has risen by double over the past twelve months. The amount of people who use the foodbank are people who have been sanctioned. In every case we hear from people sanctioned, every one of them has been sanctioned because of an FTA from a CWP or MWA provider.

It is the way the government is cutting the benefits. People who are sanctioned or on a CWP or MWA also do not count as unemployed. When you see unemployment figures have fallen, how much has sanctions risen?

It is easy to sit on your golden egg telling the OP to do more or that the JCP are trying to help you get a job. In reality the JCP are doing nothing other than swinging the axe blade closer to your throat. They have targets to meet and a public purse to save.

custardy

lol,aye golden egg. living off my trust find......

custardy

gettingready wrote: »

Yes - rather then pushing people into working for nothing while big companies running those "schemes" make mega bucks.

I believe someone has already posted that link..

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/

Read some stories there

Sorry,dont agree. In 5 years someone can find no work?
No agency work,no basic menial work.
Dont buy it at all.

xapprenticex

3xPrism wrote: »

Look at the facts. The OP has been out of work for five years. It will be hard for him to find employment anyway being out of work for that long. The JCP have referred him to a CWP or MWA. 90% of people who are put on these programmes do NOT find employment. The statistics are not published for the amount of people who are referred that have received a sanction. But hear this, SEETEC one provider alone over a period of one month in 2014 issued calls for over thirteen thousand people to be sanctioned. In one week alone it made over four thousand calls for people to be sanctioned.

These providers receive large sums of money from the government. In my last post I mentioned the twenty one day period to find a placement. If they find you a placement, they get paid. Large charities have pulled out in their dozens, so what is the alternative?

They are driven by making money. They have little or no decent placements which will benefit someone who has been referred. It is written in their rules that where possible the placement must be in the claimants chosen career path. When you are unable to achieve any of this the only other way to get paid is to sanction.

I volunteer at my local foodbank. The amount of people who use the foodbank has risen by double over the past twelve months. The amount of people who use the foodbank are people who have been sanctioned. In every case we hear from people sanctioned, every one of them has been sanctioned because of an FTA from a CWP or MWA provider.

It is the way the government is cutting the benefits. People who are sanctioned or on a CWP or MWA also do not count as unemployed. When you see unemployment figures have fallen, how much has sanctions risen?

It is easy to sit on your golden egg telling the OP to do more or that the JCP are trying to help you get a job. In reality the JCP are doing nothing other than swinging the axe blade closer to your throat. They have targets to meet and a public purse to save.

as an ex work programe adviser i agree its about money and targets, not so much the individuals, which is one reason why i left but 5 years no work is just as bad. for all we know he is still being picky about work, after 5 years you do what you can get. There are plenty jobs out there, just not glam ones.

For all the people who had been sanctioned, what percentage were justified? Did you get many come up to you and say, yeah i got sanctioed and deserved it or were they ALL done over?

Two sides to every story, i know that from experience too.

mattcanary

xapprenticex wrote: »

I do think, what if i lost my job and had to do some form of warehouse job.... I'd do it but i wouldnt be happy about it and id be constantly looking for a way out and I'd get out of it eventually.

Never nice to do a job that is less skilled than a previous but sometimes we just have to do it. Id rather that and at least have some money to play with.

By pulling sickies when you have to attend a job interview elsewhere?
Is that fair on your employers at the warehouse job?

xapprenticex

mattcanary wrote: »

By pulling sickies when you have to attend a job interview elsewhere?
Is that fair on your employers at the warehouse job?

Im failing to tie this to what i typed, or maybe its somethign to do with a different convo? Sickies? Either way im lost.

mattcanary

xapprenticex wrote: »

Im failing to tie this to what i typed, or maybe its somethign to do with a different convo? Sickies? Either way im lost.

You have to attend interviews to get a new job. To attend interviews, you normally have to take time off work in your current job. How can you do this on more than a very few occasions without taking a sickie?
Is it really then so honourable to take a job short-term when you hate it and don't intend to stay there for long at all?

custardy

mattcanary wrote: »

You have to attend interviews to get a new job. To attend interviews, you normally have to take time off work in your current job. How can you do this on more than a very few occasions without taking a sickie?
Is it really then so honourable to take a job short-term when you hate it and don't intend to stay there for long at all?

bit of a leap. How do you know the OP wouldnt be working nights/lates,getting weekdays off etc?

patman99

Ugguy should not get a sanction. The DWP got their backsides well and truly kicked by the High Court last year over the legality of these schemes.

As a result, the first week as to be treated as voluntary, so if the 'volunteer' leaves within the first week they cannot legally be sanctioned.

It's thanks to the hard work of BoycottWorkfare and KeepVolunteeringVoluntary and the public pressure they generate that a growing number of businesses and charities are dumping the schemes.

These schemes are not just demoralising for those forced to take part, they are also demoralising for the staff who are having their hours slashed by 50% (B&M stores), or who lost their jobs to make way for free labour (Tesco 'trimmed' staffing levels by 20,000 when they joined-up to MWP).