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Help! Ukpc have 'photographic evidence' which isn't real

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  • DCodd
    DCodd Posts: 8,187 Forumite
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    Ralph-y wrote: »
    yes .... but .......

    we are talking about ex clamper knuckle dusting .........

    I did hope that this would stay under the radar ......

    "As far as detecting an amateur job, there is generally a file creation date in meta data of the file system itself that could be examined and compared to the EXIF metadata, but if they are good at it, they will have altered both and there is some possibility of the file system values getting lost depending on how the file is transferred, so it may not even be reliable."

    Ralph:cool:
    There is another aspect to the EXIF data and while it would not be called conclusive in a criminal trial, it does enter some doubt into the equation.

    If you open and save an image in a number of the popular photo editing applicaions, it strips out all or some of the EXIF data if not saved "properly". It can't prove that a photo has been wrongfully edited but does prove that the photo has been opened by an editing application and edited in some way before saving again.
    Always get a Qualified opinion - My qualifications are that I am OLD and GRUMPY:p:p
  • exiftool (available for free) is all you need to tweak and fiddle with all the EXIF data to your heart's content. In other words, the EXIF data in any file is worth nothing.
  • I have now posted the pictures and an analysis of the shadows which to me appears that the times are not correct and that some jiggery-pokery by the warden may therefore have happened.


    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/uk-parking-control-apparently_27.html
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  • DCodd wrote: »
    There is another aspect to the EXIF data and while it would not be called conclusive in a criminal trial, it does enter some doubt into the equation.

    If you open and save an image in a number of the popular photo editing applicaions, it strips out all or some of the EXIF data if not saved "properly". It can't prove that a photo has been wrongfully edited but does prove that the photo has been opened by an editing application and edited in some way before saving again.


    why would a parking company need to open a photo in an editing program , the photo's are evidence from a camera , and as such should just be downloaded and inserted in there templet letterhead


    any parking Co that has photo editing software in the office is upto no good
  • The blog has been updated - an eagle-eyed person pointed out the lamppost shadow on the building roof, which conclusively shows the times are faked.
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  • bazster
    bazster Posts: 7,436 Forumite
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    why would a parking company need to open a photo in an editing program , the photo's are evidence from a camera , and as such should just be downloaded and inserted in there templet letterhead


    any parking Co that has photo editing software in the office is upto no good

    They're not editing these pictures, they're just messing about with the time setting on the camera. It's bound to happen when (i) the patrol weasel is incentivised and (ii) the head office weasels couldn't give a sh|t how he does it.

    One for the police and trading standards methinks. I'm sure Rupert Williams enjoys a day in the dock. Might even be able to get the Mail interested, after all they've featured dear Rupert in the past.

    OP should also contact his/her MP and demand that he/she complains to the DfT and DVLA about these shysters getting keeper details.
    Je suis Charlie.
  • HO87
    HO87 Posts: 4,296 Forumite
    The Prankster's analysis lays it bare I suggest.

    Shouldn't this be landing on Steve Clark's and Oliver Morley's desks this morning? And how about the press?

    No doubt the DVLA will take 3 days to tell us that they have passed the matter to the BPA to be investigated but "we treat the security of keeper detail with great seriousness blah blah blah..." zzzzzzzzzzz
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  • trisontana
    trisontana Posts: 9,472 Forumite
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    If this story proves to be true, I wonder what excuse UKPC will come up with?

    (1) this was a rogue operative and he has now been given the boot.
    or
    (2) He was unfamiliar with the camera and pressed the wrong button and he has now been sent for retraining.

    .
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,399 Forumite
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    edited 28 August 2015 at 11:44AM
    Perhaps. Which is why it is important that blackwhitefraud2015 responds to Prankster to ascertain whether another parking site has been similarly subject to the same scamera trick!

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/69057309#Comment_69057309
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    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • hoohoo
    hoohoo Posts: 1,717 Forumite
    This is now a generic UKPC problem, not confined to one warden or site

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/further-fake-times-involving-uk-parking.html
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