JSA - Do You Have to Take Job if Offered

pennypincher3562

elsien wrote: »

This surprises me. When I signed on I was given three months where I could just look at jobs in my own field, using my qualifications and on a similar level of pay. Did you not have this discussion with them?

This is the issue Elsien. After my first meeting with my 'job coach' he told me he was 'really busy', and basically said next to nothing to me. It was an odd experience.

I turned up with my CV, lots of paperwork, and expected a 'grilling.'

I even asked him how does 'Universal Jobs Match' work, and he told me 'phone the help line.'

I am not used to this sort of situation, and have no idea what is expected of me.

The past 2 weeks, I've applied for 15 jobs (not 'dream jobs by anyone's standards, minimal wage stuff), written 2 versions of my CV (one skilled, and one lesser skilled), and 2 versions of my covering letter.

I will meet 'job coach' again tomorrow, and hopefully he will be happy!

And in response to Sangie595, I will not retract my statement 'some people get handed things on a plate.' I was asked to attend a CV workshop, and was the only person there who bothered to turn up with a CV, or ask any questions.' The 'CV workshop' was actually a total farce.

Cheers
PennyPincher3562

Transformers

pennypincher3562 wrote: »

That is actually disputable Transformer. You might laugh, I've got a car, yet walk over 1000 miles a year. I've had absolute minimal contact with the NHS and school system as an adult.

I have deliberately tried to pursue a very frugal life, as I don't want to rely on the state, or others.

I can't prove it, but I bet in the past 7 years, I've paid far more in than I've got out (I was pretty much non-reliant on the state, and in the upper tax band.)

Selfish attitude much?

The hospitals have been build to accommodate patients - you never know when you might need them.

The roads are there not only for you to drive on BUT for the transport of goods (I'm sure you consume items that have been transported).

You walk on pavements - they cost money to maintain, light, police etc.

Your GP is there available for you to visit.

The judicial system is there to deal with criminals.

Prisons must be paid for to keep criminals under lock and key.

Etc, etc, etc

Society needs many services - just because you don't access those services AT THIS MOMENT doesn't detract from the fact that those services must be paid for.

It's not all about you!

elsien

The 3 months grace was discussed on one of my first appointments and was part of my jobseekers agreement, I think before I'd even seen the job coach.

UJM isn't fit for purpose, from my experience. I registered on it, because you have to, but I chose not to give them access to it. When they queried this, I told them I found other job sites far more helpful. In practice I didn't use UJM because the jobs it was coming up with were ridiculous. I was a care manager and I think on one memorable occasion it suggested either cloud architect or tiler.

Don't expect any practical help from job centre staff - it's not why they're there.

pennypincher3562

Transformers wrote: »

Selfish attitude much?

Oh yeah, really selfish of me, I was happy to pay £xxx,xxx in tax (declared everything in full,) and try be as non-reliant on the State as I could.

How horrible, and selfish of me. How is paying higher tax levels and trying to be non-reliant on the state selfish?

You have very strange values.

You may not understand my mentality, I want to take as little out of the State as possible, and aim for self-sufficiency (probably something you don't understand judging from your comments.)

If working and paying tax over 20 years is 'selfish' then this country is in big trouble.

Cheers
PennyPincher3562

pennypincher3562

elsien wrote: »

UJM isn't fit for purpose, from my experience. I registered on it, because you have to, but I chose not to give them access to it.

Yes, Universal Jobs Match is terrible, and I have actually granted 'jobs coach' access to it (as I am honest, and want to show that I'm looking for work) However, I doubt I will find a job with it, and am using the major job sites, such as Reed instead.

Cheers
PennyPincher3562

Transformers

pennypincher3562 wrote: »

Oh yeah, really selfish of me, I was happy to pay £xxx,xxx in tax (declared everything in full,) and try be as non-reliant on the State as I could.

How horrible, and selfish of me. How the heck is paying higher tax levels and trying to be non-reliant on the state selfish?

You have very strange values.

You don't pay into the system for just you - taxes are payable to support the whole of society.

You paid tax as required by law - that's just the way it is. That money was not ring fenced with your name stamped on it.

If - God forbid - you had need of medical services tomorrow the hospitals would be there for you. What do you think paid for those amenities?

The people that provide services for you have all been educated and cared for at one stage or another by the state.

I can't believe you cannot see the bigger picture.

pennypincher3562

Transformers wrote: »

I can't believe you cannot see the bigger picture.

Believe you me, I can see the 'bigger picture.' That is why I have done my utmost best to work, pay my taxes in full, and not be reliant on the state.

I don't understand how you can have any issues with my efforts to be as 'self sufficient as possible, and pay my way.'

I appreciate at one point I will have to rely on services such as the NHS, and I am proud to support such services for the benefit of myself and others through paying my taxes in full.

Your comment that I am selfish does not have a 'leg to stand on,' I've contributed to the country pretty much most of my adult life.

Cheers
PennyPincher3562

dodger1

Incredibly negative attitude by OP, I'm off before I get depressed.

mattcanary

pennypincher3562 wrote: »

At the end of the day all I want to do is end up in a job that I believe I have a good chance of succeeding in - hardly a crime. It would be a disservice to any potential employer to do otherwise.

I am not a 'Jack of All Trades' that can do a great job in anything that is thrown at me...

Cheers
PennyPincher

Just don't talk crap in interviews then just to try and get the job. As long as you don't do this, you are very unlikely to get the job if it is unsuitable for you.

mattcanary

pennypincher3562 wrote: »

Once again I will repeat I want to apply for jobs that I believe I will be successful in - to do otherwise is a disservice to the potential employer. As an employer would you be happy if you got hit by a barrage of applications from people who are not really interested in the job, but rather are trying to meet their 'JSA agreement'?

Would a potential employer be happy that someone takes on a job (to meet their JSA agreement,) then only to walk out 6 months later?

Employers want LOYALTY, not people trying to meet their JSA Agreement.

And to set the record straight, I've applied for 15 jobs in the past 24 hours (most of which I've no recent/direct experience in) hardly 'Apply only for jobs you fancy allowance.'

Cheers
PennyPincher3562

True, I don't think many employers are impressed at being faced with a barrage of people applying for jobs with them under pressure with the JSA. Any sane employer employing lower-skilled workers knows this goes n regularly.