Corbynomics: A Dystopia

gadgetmind

Southend1 wrote: »

Unions are about much more than wage bargaining. They are also at the forefront of campaigns for safe workplaces, fair treatment in the workplace, better working conditions etc as well as many social causes.

Like the vast majority of people, I regard unions as being bringers of strife, strike, and discord, whose power-hungry leaders are prepared to decimate whole industries and bring countries to the bring of ruin in pursuit of their own twisted political ends.

However. I am prepared to accept that in some rare corner cases they can have some marginal effect on work place safety. Of course, this in no way compensates for the strife, strike, discord, and everything else on my list that they cause, so I'm very much in favour of us all working hard to totally eliminate them.

Southend1

gadgetmind wrote: »

The problem is that most unskilled people aren't productive enough to be worth even minimum wage, so many of these jobs are eliminated by being mechanised or exported overseas.

That's a strange analysis. If they aren't productive enough to earn enough to live at a reasonable standard then where do the corporate profits and sky high bonuses for directors come from? It's a question of how the product of their labour is divided rather than that they aren't worth a living wage.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

...This is a new gentler kind of chaos. It's Conviction Confusion.

The BBC is reporting that the meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party was pretty chaotic; you could apparently hear the shouting in the corridor outside.

"Jeremy Corbyn was apparently "read the riot act" and said nothing", Although his spokesman later said the meeting had been "warm and friendly".

If life in the Labour Party gets any more 'warm and friendly' there is going to be a punch-up.:)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34508959

antrobus

Southend1 wrote: »

That's a strange analysis. If they aren't productive enough to earn enough to live at a reasonable standard then where do the corporate profits and sky high bonuses for directors come from? It's a question of how the product of their labour is divided rather than that they aren't worth a living wage.

From mechanising the jobs and exporting them overseas?

Southend1

gadgetmind wrote: »

Like the vast majority of people, I regard unions as being bringers of strife, strike, and discord, whose power-hungry leaders are prepared to decimate whole industries and bring countries to the bring of ruin in pursuit of their own twisted political ends.

However. I am prepared to accept that in some rare corner cases they can have some marginal effect on work place safety. Of course, this in no way compensates for the strife, strike, discord, and everything else on my list that they cause, so I'm very much in favour of us all working hard to totally eliminate them.

Essentially what you're saying is that you'd be happy for yourself or anyone else to die or be disabled as a result of unsafe working conditions but you aren't happy to put up with minor inconvenience such as a cancelled train or a closed supermarket on the rare occasion that working people stand up for their rights? I suspect most people's priorities are different.

CLAPTON

Southend1 wrote: »

The right wing press do their best to ignore it but almost a year ago today on 18 October 2014 many tens of thousands of people marched in the streets of London, Glasgow and Belfast in support of the Britain needs a pay rise campaign. See here for more info about the TUC's work on this https://www.tuc.org.uk/economic-issues/britain-needs-pay-rise.

Why are fair pay, safe workplaces and decent working conditions detrimental to the public at large?

I would see a relationship between the Tory rise in minimum wage and the reduction in WTC rather than a tremendous victory for the TUs
10s of thousand of people present less than 0.03% of voters.


Why don't the TUs use their own money to start up businesses that pay 'fair' wages and conform to the law in other ways rather than funding the labour party led by IRA supporters.

Southend1

antrobus wrote: »

From mechanising the jobs and exporting them overseas?

why is he mechanisation of production a bad thing? Do you think we should undo all the changes that have been seen in agriculture or motor manufacturing for example, over the last hundred years or so?

Tromking

Southend1 wrote: »

The "sick and lame" didn't ask to be disabled or unwell.

I suspect by the "lazy" you mean the unemployed, the overwhelming majority of whom would love to be able to find decent, secure work.

I'd vote every time for a society that protects and supports the welfare of the disabled, the sick and the unemployed over one that looks after only the more fortunate among us.

You should be ashamed to call yourself a trade unionist, as your views don't reflect the values of the labour movement.

The divide between the intellectual left (eg. metropolitan Labour) and the ordinary white working class voter encapsulated in one post Southend1.
My lifelong Labour voting, trade unionist father also used the phrase "sick,lame and lazy". It was and probably still is a term used for the terminal shirker. Only a humourless dogma obsessed leftist would dissect that phrase and then come to the conclusion that a trade unionist using it had something to be ashamed about.

Southend1

Tromking wrote: »

The divide between the intellectual left (eg. metropolitan Labour) and the ordinary white working class voter encapsulated in one post Southend1.
My lifelong Labour voting, trade unionist father also used the phrase "sick,lame and lazy". It was and probably still is a term used for the terminal shirker. Only a humourless dogma obsessed leftist would dissect that phrase and then come to the conclusion that a trade unionist using it had something to be ashamed about.

What is it about being sick that makes someone a terminal shirker? How do you interpret the phrase if not in the sense of the words it contains?

gadgetmind

Southend1 wrote: »

Essentially what you're saying

What I'm saying is exactly what I said. I'll choose my words and you choose yours. And possibly the best answer to your question is "no", both as a whole and to most of the component parts.