Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Thrugelmir

Sapphire wrote: »

Except that he yesterday reversed his viewpoint on the subject and stated that Britain should remain in the single market

Would you trust what Corbyn says? The guy is looking for power. After decades on the fringes of the party. He knows that he has only one, once in a lifetime shot at this. Not least because of his age. Words are cheap as they say. Particularly as Corbyn isn't negotiating with the EU. Just a bystander making jibes. Next week all be forgotten news. From the archives.

Mr Corbyn has expressed Eurosceptic arguments in the past - in 1993, he spoke out against the Maastricht Treaty which established the European Union and moved towards economic and political union.

Kettle black springs to mind.

westernpromise

Sapphire wrote: »

Except that he yesterday reversed his viewpoint on the subject and stated that Britain should remain in the single market – which would mean that it would need to comply with all the 'rules' created by the EU commissars.

Not necessarily.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ’doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.

- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four

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westernpromise wrote: »

Not necessarily.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ’doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.

- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four

Nicely quoted. I liked that. I had not realised that Corbyn was dithering with intent.:T

System

Sapphire wrote: »

The cult appears to be rather like any other cult in history (at the extreme end leading to such oppressive systems as communism in the Soviet Union, national socialism in Germany and the current situation in North Korea). It's the young and gullible who tend to be drafted into such cults in large numbers – and the Internet, not to mention decades of labour-lead indoctrination, appears to be a prime tool for their indoctrination.

I expect not a single brexiteer has turned remain after being called a racist idiot. I doubt many labour supporters turn tory after being told they're gullible cultists.

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Would you trust what Corbyn says? The guy is looking for power. After decades on the fringes of the party. He knows that he has only one, once in a lifetime shot at this. Not least because of his age. Words are cheap as they say. Particularly as Corbyn isn't negotiating with the EU. Just a bystander making jibes. Next week all be forgotten news.

All politicians are seeking power.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

From the archives.

Mr Corbyn has expressed Eurosceptic arguments in the past - in 1993, he spoke out against the Maastricht Treaty which established the European Union and moved towards economic and political union.

Kettle black springs to mind.

I bet even some of us lot have changed our minds a time or two over the last 24 years.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

All politicians are seeking power.

Stating the obvious. While missing the point.

Whose Corbyn's successor?

AFF8879

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Stating the obvious. While missing the point.

Whose Corbyn's successor?

Diane Abbott

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Stating the obvious. While missing the point.

Yes you do that a lot.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Whose Corbyn's successor?

Given they chose the wrong Milliband and then followed that up with Corbyn it could well be Diane Abbott.

Corbyn is as secure in his position as he's ever been. The balance of the membership is moving left, they're ahead in the polls and MP's are falling into line as a result.

What does that mean? Well it means the next leader will probably be anointed and they'll be a Corbyn fanboy or girl.

At the next election labour will be led by Corbyn or someone who shares his views. People can go on about Corbyn, Momentum, Marxism & cults all they like but at that election or the one after labour are going to win. That's how two party democracy works.

Don't want a left wing labour government? Start winning the argument - this tribute thread has used every insult in the book and Corbyn has been picked apart; how's that approach been working out?

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

Yes you do that a lot.



Given they chose the wrong Milliband and then followed that up with Corbyn it could well be Diane Abbott.

Corbyn is as secure in his position as he's ever been. The balance of the membership is moving left, they're ahead in the polls and MP's are falling into line as a result.

What does that mean? Well it means the next leader will probably be anointed and they'll be a Corbyn fanboy or girl.

At the next election labour will be led by Corbyn or someone who shares his views. People can go on about Corbyn, Momentum, Marxism & cults all they like but at that election or the one after labour are going to win. That's how two party democracy works.

Don't want a left wing labour government? Start winning the argument - this tribute thread has used every insult in the book and Corbyn has been picked apart; how's that approach been working out?

I think you are right that if Corbyn doesn't lead Party into next election it will be one of his supporters. But it is no where near certain that Labour in the present format will win the next election or one after.

As for wanting a left wing government I do, but I want one that presents modest policies that can be enacted and not one that panders to everybody with a list of socialist ideals that can not be enacted.

System

ukcarper wrote: »

I think you are right that if Corbyn doesn't lead Party into next election it will be one of his supporters. But it is no where near certain that Labour in the present format will win the next election or one after.

It'll be the one after that then. Sometimes it's just time for a change. What's the longest period of continuous government by the same party in the modern UK? 18 years for the Tories & 13 for labour? If we make it to 2022 until the next election the tories will be 12 years in - time flies.

ukcarper wrote: »

As for wanting a left wing government I do, but I want one that presents modest policies that can be enacted and not one that panders to everybody with a list of socialist ideals that can not be enacted.

I reckon the choice you're looking at for the next couple of elections is a labour somewhat left of what of what you want or Tory. Rock and hard place.