Corbynomics: A Dystopia

lisyloo

Fella wrote: »

Um, except he hasn't. Almost everybody thought he'd be sh*t.

And. unsurprisingly, he was sh*t.

That's not the general view e.g. Alan sugar, nick Timothy
And some people who think he ran a much better campaign than the tories are Tory too so not Corbin supporters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40835888

Fella

Views have nothing to do with it. Corbyn got thumped in the election, just as everybody predicted he would. Even less votes than Kinnock.

This is a fact, not a view.

Tromking

Fella wrote: »

Uncanny that both of you, both prison officers, should think alike. Almost like you're the same person.

I would never suggest that though, and tbh I don't even think it. I just think you both have jobs you hate & are looking for somebody to blame for it.

The irony of course, would be if Corbyn ever got in. The inevitable swathing cuts to public services would hit you worst of all. But I suppose you'd always be able to find some other evil Tory to blame.

Meanwhile the Tories you both seem to hate would probably be OK. Funny that.

Most Prison Officers, in my experience are rabid pro-establishment Tories, although that is being sorely tested at the moment.
Clearly the current Tory induced prisons crisis has passed you by, I don't fear swathing cuts to public services, I'm living it now.
Try and look past your antipathy to Corbyn, there's an adult discussion to be had fella.

Fella

Tromking wrote: »

Clearly the current Tory induced prisons crisis

I'm never sure whether people who say stuff like this are being disingenuous or just don't understand maths.

There is no "Tory induced prisons crisis". Labour spent money we didn't have & left the country effectively bankrupt. The Tories have gone a little way (not nearly enough) to at least taking us a bit closer to where we live within our means.

It's crass to praise the party that spends money we don't have & criticize the party that actually tries to balance the books.

If we ran a huge surplus & the Tories made cuts your point would be valid. We don't. So it isn't.

There's the adult discussion. How did you like it?

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

You may be right but all I know is things have changed dramatically over the last few weeks and Labour are no longer 20 points behind but starting to have some leads. Who would have thought it a few weeks ago:-
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/qwyuvkvik4/TimesResults_170801_VI_Trackers_W.pdf

Who in their right mind would believe the polls?

But yes it's great that the polls show a LP lead - that will be conducive to Tory cohesion - means they will see out the full 5 years.

setmefree2

Fella wrote: »

Uncanny that both of you, both prison officers, should think alike. Almost like you're the same person.

I would never suggest that though, and tbh I don't even think it. I just think you both have jobs you hate & are looking for somebody to blame for it.

Moby's sockies all use her/his signature explanation mark "!" "!"

Personally I hate "!" but that's just me.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

.....but lets talk about Venezuela instead. Unbelievable!

Why shouldn't we talk about Venezuela? What Chavez and Maduro have done to Venezuela Corbyn could do here.

Not as unbelievable as you seem to think.

Fella

setmefree2 wrote: »

Why shouldn't we talk about Venezuela? What Chavez and Maduro have done to Venezuela Corbyn could do here.

Not as unbelievable as you seem to think.

The Corbynistas are doing everything they can to change the topic off of Venezuela. It appears the Momentum brief is to change the subject to Saudi Arabia (ie something that has nothing whatsoever with the topic of Venezuela) every time it comes up.

Tromking

Fella wrote: »

I'm never sure whether people who say stuff like this are being disingenuous or just don't understand maths.

There is no "Tory induced prisons crisis". Labour spent money we didn't have & left the country effectively bankrupt. The Tories have gone a little way (not nearly enough) to at least taking us a bit closer to where we live within our means.

It's crass to praise the party that spends money we don't have & criticize the party that actually tries to balance the books.

If we ran a huge surplus & the Tories made cuts your point would be valid. We don't. So it isn't.

There's the adult discussion. How did you like it?

The question is how you reduce the deficit not whether you reduce it.
I don't remember in any Tory manifesto that spending £4 billion on NHS overtime payments or running with near 100k NHS staffing vacancies was part of any plan. In fact the first Tory plan on the deficit was to balance the books by 2015!..... how's that going?
On prisons, I don't think it was mooted to my knowledge that as a result of necessary cuts that our jails would become lawless hellholes where nobody would want to work. Incidentally the Tory run MOJ has got to itself into such a high dudgeon, it has broken Treasury rules on staff remuneration three times, not by cutting pay or allowances but by increasing them!.......that's the mettle of your "balance the books" Tories.
Government has a responsibility to balance the books of course, it also a responsibility to run our public services properly and in a sustainable manner that doesn't affect delivery to the people of the UK. This Government is failing miserably in that delicate balancing act, trust me.

antrobus

setmefree2 wrote: »

Why shouldn't we talk about Venezuela? What Chavez and Maduro have done to Venezuela Corbyn could do here.

Not as unbelievable as you seem to think.

When the likes of Ken Livingstone claims that the reason that Venezuela has a problem is because Ch!vez "didn’t kill all the oligarchs", and with Corbyn on record as stating that Ch!vez was “an inspiration to all of us fighting back against austerity and neoliberal economics in Europe”, I don't see why you shouldn't talk about Venezuela.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/03/ken-livingstone-venezuela-crisis-hugo-chavez-oligarchs

I would have to point out that if there was such a thing as a Global Austerity Meter, Venezuela would have a much higher score than the UK. At least we don't have food shortages. We complain about inflation of 3% because the pound has fallen; it's about 800% in Venezuela.

The fact that the Venezuelan economy has crashed and burned would be one thing, the fact that Maduro is now trying to turn Venezuela into a one party state would be something else.