Corbynomics: A Dystopia

westernpromise

martinsurrey wrote: »

prosepect 2012 anual return

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You see when Paul noon retired he got given a £90k pension golden goodbye.

Taking his earnings £219,035 inc pension contributions.

And you are right it is 110k ish members, I took a number from an article, which on re reading doesnt say that the 34k civil servants are total members.

"Prospect represents 34,000 specialist civil servants who are struggling to cope with a three year pay freeze.
At the time the pay freeze was announced in 2010, Mr Noon criticised MPs for giving themselves a 1.5 per cent pay rise at the same time as treating civil servants "harshly"."

So he's paid roughly a pound a peon.

posh*spice

Labour is a trashed brand. They are also bankrupt. The centre left should form a new party and leave the loony left to it.

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You can keep carping, but Corbyn is on the up, whereas you my friend, will remain moribund, encased in an impenetrable block of Claptonite.

And you will always be poor, my friend 'cos i can't imagine who'd employ you ?

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

you are disgusting : to describe the IRA murders of people in birmingham, warrington, brighton, omagh etc as 'carping' is almost beyond belief
to support corbyn is to walk in their shoes.

I'm no fan of Corbyn. I think he is a useless Labour leader and want him out because of that but you are continually anonymously smearing the man as someone who supported IRA terrorism against his own country. That is something completely different. What is your actual evidence that Corbyn sympathised/supported the IRA campaigns you describe above..... i.e links to proof and I don't just want no puerile picture of him standing with Gerry Adams either because the Queen has been shaking Gerry Adams hand in the name of peace....she isnt a terrorist sympathiser! Thatcher was a friend of Pinochet and he murdered thousands of his own people. No.... I want actual concrete proof linking Corbyn to those atrocities.....not inference or supposition. From primary sources by the way........... not garbage reproduce by the Daily Fail...........Put up once and for all or just do us all a favour and shut up about this! As far as I can see he hasn't been charged with such links?
........ I think you are as far out wrong about this as you are about the benefits of Brexit!

martinsurrey

westernpromise wrote: »

So he's paid roughly a pound a peon.

at that rate the mayor of London should be on about £8m...

and he has MORe influence on their lives than the union leader...

Moby

After the tories have finished with their backstabbing and !!!!!ing ....we may be more interested in the dystopia of a our Prime Minister rather than the Leader of the Opposition ......at least Jeremy is not in a position to do anything really harmful....but this fruitcake would be:-

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/07/andrea-leadsom-denies-embellishing-cv-and-promises-to-release-tax-return-5993481/

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

No longer welcome in my own home

I’ve just got home from the Bristol West CLP AGM.

After a bruising, chaotic and downright heartbreaking couple of weeks in politics, I needed to be with my local Labour family. I knew that given the current situation in the party there were going to be some strong differences of opinion and lively debate, but I hoped to come out of the meeting feeling comradely, refreshed, and ready to take on the challenges ahead with our newly elected committee. That was not what happened.

I want to say that the people running the meeting did so calmly, professionally (although we should all remind ourselves that they are volunteers who do this out of love and dedication to our movement) and handled a very difficult situation admirably. The turnout was bigger than anyone expected, so we had to use an overflow room. This meant that there were some changes to the order of the meeting, but every effort was made to ensure that everyone had a chance to hear and interact with our MP, Thangam Debbonaire. The room was too small and too hot, and nothing could be done about that, but most importantly, the elections were carried out democratically and according to the rules.

Once the procedural issues had been resolved, the meeting opened with a minute’s silence in memory of Jo Cox, after which the Chair Marg Hickman read her now unforgettable words “we have more in common than the things that divide us” and urged all members to act in the spirit of those words.

Thangam made a careful, reasoned and dignified speech outlining her position on the EU referendum and subsequent events, the reasons behind her resignation from the Labour front bench, and her personal response to the murder of her friend and colleague. She took as many questions as was feasible in the limited time, listened and responded carefully to each one. She was not afforded the same respect by her constituents.

It became clear that there were some very vocal Momentum members present in the room (many wearing the T shirts) who were interested in nothing but defending Corbyn and shouting down anyone who disagreed with them. Thangam, the Chair and most of the candidates for committee positions stressed again and again the importance of coming together respectfully to listen, discuss and work together as comrades in the same movement. Corbyn himself said this week that it was time for the party to come together. I would hope that if he saw the behaviour of his loudest supporters tonight he would condemn it.

We are all fighting the same fight. We are a family, a team and a movement, and that doesn’t mean we agree on everything — anyone who knows me at all knows that I’ve always placed myself within the left of the party and often disagree with the leadership and some elements of the PLP. But what it does mean, is that we treat each other with respect and dignity. The people in that room were shouting and screaming at Thangam, the Chair, and anyone with an opposing view as if they were shouting at Cameron on a protest march.

The atmosphere was absolutely toxic, and for the first time in my dealings with the Bristol Labour Party I felt threatened. As someone who likes to listen and reflect before I speak, I felt that there was no way for me to contribute. At one point I did speak up out of sheer frustration, and point out that those who shout the loudest aren’t necessarily the majority. The man next to me then pounced on me, telling me that “your lot” are trying to oust Corbyn. He called me a traitor and a conspirator, without even bothering to find out anything about me. If he had, he would know that I voted for Corbyn last year, but have had my reservations and now feel that he’s not the right leader for our party. I tried to explain that I wasn’t interested in taking sides on the Corbyn issue, that I was just trying to call for some respectful and tolerant discussion, but he continued to patronise me and shout me down. I could feel the angry tears pricking the corners of my eyes and I knew that if I cried I would be dismissed as a weak young woman, so I shut up. Which is exactly what he and the others like him wanted.

I hadn’t come to take sides, or to call for Corbyn to be ousted. I had come to listen, elect our new committee and work out how we can all move forward together. I’m glad that people are joining the party in their thousands, I want to work with them because everyone has something to offer. I didn’t want everything to be reduced to a binary dividing line between those who support Corbyn uncritically, and everyone else. But that was not the attitude I saw from the Momentum contingent tonight. They were there to say their piece, vote for their candidates and shout down anyone who wasn’t unequivocally supportive of Corbyn. It felt dangerously close to bullying.

Exasperated, I asked the man next to me if he thought that Thangam’s decision to resign from the front bench meant that everything she had done up to that point was irrelevant. Without hesitation he said yes. I’m sorry, but that just simply cannot be how we do politics. I’m no fan of Blair, and the Iraq war was a terrible decision and an absolute disaster (and incidentally, a much worse thing to do than simply step down from a junior position on the front bench). But do I think that civil partnerships, equality legislation, children’s centres and all the other vital pieces of legislation his Labour government introduced are irrelevant because of it? Absolutely not. Because I believe that the purpose of Labour is to be in government and change people’s lives for the better. As one longstanding member said tonight: “we are a political party, not a fan club.”

At the end of the meeting I stepped outside with a good friend who is one of the most dedicated campaigners I have ever met. He organised the local and mayoral election campaign in my ward which successfully put two excellent Labour candidates on the council, who are already doing great work, and he’d just been elected to a committee position which he’ll be amazing at. He was in tears and so was I, because what we had just experienced was so far removed from the sense of solidarity, friendship and common purpose of just a few months ago.

The Labour party is my home. If you share our values of solidarity, equality, fairness and democracy then by all means come in. But if you come in, you have to respect those of us who are already here.

This division is breaking my heart, and it isn’t going to help the people in this country who need us the most.

https://medium.com/@ruthie_dee/no-longer-welcome-in-my-own-home-4672dc7a08a5#.cxd0zky03



Don't know why anyone would want to be in the LP these days.

Malthusian

I tried to explain that I wasn’t interested in taking sides on the Corbyn issue, that I was just trying to call for some respectful and tolerant discussion, but he continued to patronise me and shout me down. I could feel the angry tears pricking the corners of my eyes and I knew that if I cried I would be dismissed as a weak young woman, so I shut up. Which is exactly what he and the others like him wanted.

Every sympathy for her. But if you are a woman in the Labour Party this is exactly what you can expect. The Tories are about to appoint their second female leader (out of a field of two women). Labour want simpering girls like Jess "I feel awfully silly resigning as Parliamentary Private Secretary" Phillips, women who know their place next to the brothers. Google "Muslim Women's Network" and Labour for other examples.

Malthusian

I did enjoy this classic bit of Judean People's Frontery in the comments on Backfrom's link.

The chair first suggested that the motion couldn’t be taken because the meeting organisers had failed to circulate it in advance of the meeting — this is not a valid reason not to take a motion. She then refused calls to take it as an emergency motion — it should have been. It was claimed that members who have joined within the last eight weeks could not vote on motions and this was a reason not to take the motion — they can and in any case this would not be a reason to prevent all members from voting. It was claimed AGMs could not take motions — they can. The chair refused to hear a legitimate procedural motion ‘that the vote be taken’. Refused to hear a procedural motion challenging the chair’s ruling. Refused to hear a procedural motion ‘of no confidence in the chair’.
These procedures are all clearly explained in the Labour Party Rule Book — I can provide a longer document showing all the references I have used to anyone who is interested.

Brian: People, we should be struggling together.
PFJ member: I]in a headlock[/I We are!
Brian: No, we should be rising up against the common enemy.
All: The Judean People's Front?!
Brian: No no, the Romans!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I'm no fan of Corbyn. I think he is a useless Labour leader and want him out because of that but you are continually anonymously smearing the man as someone who supported IRA terrorism against his own country. That is something completely different. What is your actual evidence that Corbyn sympathised/supported the IRA campaigns you describe above..... i.e links to proof and I don't just want no puerile picture of him standing with Gerry Adams either because the Queen has been shaking Gerry Adams hand in the name of peace....she isnt a terrorist sympathiser! Thatcher was a friend of Pinochet and he murdered thousands of his own people. No.... I want actual concrete proof linking Corbyn to those atrocities.....not inference or supposition. From primary sources by the way........... not garbage reproduce by the Daily Fail...........Put up once and for all or just do us all a favour and shut up about this! As far as I can see he hasn't been charged with such links?
........ I think you are as far out wrong about this as you are about the benefits of Brexit!

you say you know and meet with him

so just ask him and report back