Corbynomics: A Dystopia

michaels

It has been a funny old campaign - intially it was all about the three mainstream candidates addressing the official Labour party report into why they lost the 2015 election - 'too left wing turning off aspirational voters' followed by a dash to the left as they realised that they were not trying to win a National election but one with a very different electorate, leaving the Burnham and Cooper trying to simultaneously hold contradictory positions on many issues.

Personally I still don't understand how you can aspire to lead an organisation when previously you have consistently failed to support the party line where you disagreed with it - unless that organisation is the anarchists....

martinsurrey

michaels wrote: »

It has been a funny old campaign - intially it was all about the three mainstream candidates addressing the official Labour party report into why they lost the 2015 election - 'too left wing turning off aspirational voters' followed by a dash to the left as they realised that they were not trying to win a National election but one with a very different electorate, leaving the Burnham and Cooper trying to simultaneously hold contradictory positions on many issues.

Personally I still don't understand how you can aspire to lead an organisation when previously you have consistently failed to support the party line where you disagreed with it - unless that organisation is the anarchists....

"vote for what I say, even if you don't agree, unlike I, who voted against everything I didn't agree with..."

Generali

michaels wrote: »

It has been a funny old campaign - intially it was all about the three mainstream candidates addressing the official Labour party report into why they lost the 2015 election - 'too left wing turning off aspirational voters' followed by a dash to the left as they realised that they were not trying to win a National election but one with a very different electorate, leaving the Burnham and Cooper trying to simultaneously hold contradictory positions on many issues.

Personally I still don't understand how you can aspire to lead an organisation when previously you have consistently failed to support the party line where you disagreed with it - unless that organisation is the anarchists....

Well it'll be fun for me, laughing at Mr Corbyn from afar for a while if he wins. Less fun for you lot if he ever manages to get in.

If he was to do what he has promised so far to the economy then I suspect inflation will be so bad that he'll enter Number 10 in 2020 and leave Number 24 in 2025.:eek:

michaels

Generali wrote: »

Well it'll be fun for me, laughing at Mr Corbyn from afar for a while if he wins. Less fun for you lot if he ever manages to get in.

If he was to do what he has promised so far to the economy then I suspect inflation will be so bad that he'll enter Number 10 in 2020 and leave Number 24 in 2025.:eek:

Of course inflation is a nice trick to simultaneously redistribute wealth and write off govt debt....

Generali

martinsurrey wrote: »

"vote for what I say, even if you don't agree, unlike I, who voted against everything I didn't agree with..."

Did I read somewhere that he plans to make every commons vote a 3 line whip (I might be making that up or perhaps misquoting someone who made it up)?

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Of course inflation is a nice trick to simultaneously redistribute wealth and write off govt debt....

Only unexpected inflation. What do you think will happen to Gilt yields if Mr Corbyn wins? If I was running a fixed income fund I'd be very concerned by a Corbyn victory and sell any non-index linked Gilts I was holding.

When inflation is expected, Gilt yields rise to compensate investors for their inflation losses.

martinsurrey

Generali wrote: »

Did I read somewhere that he plans to make every commons vote a 3 line whip (I might be making that up or perhaps misquoting someone who made it up)?

3 line whips didnt stop him...

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/10/24/up-to-10-labour-mps-could-defy-eu-whip/

http://labourlist.org/2014/09/the-24-labour-mps-who-opposed-airstrikes-against-isl/

Mistermeaner

For me I think 'labour' is just a word that doesn't mean anything - it's no longer valid for people to say they support 'labour' as its not clear what Labour are - are they centre? Centre left? Far left?

My parents support and always have supported labour, but they don't support Corbyn. If he wins where does that leave them? Do they back a party whose views they do not agree with? Do they continue to be members and try to change the parties direction, disagreeing with the party line, do they look for a new party who does represent them?

I think there is a chance of a split if corbyn wins and labour will cease to be (as we know it) if there is such a split it will be interesting to see who keeps what - I assume Labour own stuff , like an hq etc and employ people - could be a messy divorce.

ukcarper

What will happen to Tory Party if Labour disintegrate, without the fear of losing a vote will the right feel they don't have to follow party line causing problems for the Party. Matthew Parris thinks it might.

Mistermeaner

ukcarper wrote: »

What will happen to Tory Party if Labour disintegrate, without the fear of losing a vote will the right feel they don't have to follow party line causing problems for the Party.

Possibly..... but if the Labour party does split New Labour 1+2 would probably oppose the Tories so Tory would need to stay United.

What's the odds of some Labour defections to Tory?