Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Generali

Tromking wrote: »

Not really.
Thanks to recent 'reforms', salaries and manpower in the public sector broadly speaking match those in the private sphere. Hence the crisis in our prisons which you may or may not be aware of.
If Corbyn is switched on he'll just announce the amount of taxpayers money the privateers receive and Joe Public will realise this privatisation and outsourcing business is just a scam.

Do private sector Gaolers get the same pensions as public sector ones (genuine question)?

Tromking

Generali wrote: »

Do private sector Gaolers get the same pensions as public sector ones (genuine question)?

No.
Probably nowhere near as generous as the public sector one, although I don't know for sure.

CLAPTON

Tromking wrote: »

Not really.
Thanks to recent 'reforms', salaries and manpower in the public sector broadly speaking match those in the private sphere. Hence the crisis in our prisons which you may or may not be aware of.
If Corbyn is switched on he'll just announce the amount of taxpayers money the privateers receive and Joe Public will realise this privatisation and outsourcing business is just a scam.

makes no sense to me

you seem to be saying that the public sector is more efficient than the private
so why won't taking the prison back under public control free up 'spare' money

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

At least most of the Tories actually do something for a living before going into politics. Call Me Dave worked at Carlton Communications for seven years, Major famously ran away from the circus to become an accountant and Maggie was an industrial scientist.

Combined together as a cabinet means that meaningful discussion can be had. Like the board of a Company. Combining career politicians together who've been brain washed with the same ideology. Gives us what we have now. Blank minds. There's no answers in a textbook in how to deal with the challenges of complex problems on a daily basis.

Tromking

CLAPTON wrote: »

makes no sense to me

you seem to be saying that the public sector is more efficient than the private
so why won't taking the prison back under public control free up 'spare' money

Not really efficient but nice and cheap I suppose.
Both spheres are now providing a basket case service, although the private sector does enjoy the advantage of new build sites.
Recruitment and retention is woeful, hence I'm spending October up in the Smoke to help plug the staffing gaps up there. I'll earn circa £2.5k extra for around 100 hours work, which to some is small beer but for a job with an average income, it shows the state the Service has got itself into.

CLAPTON

Tromking wrote: »

Not really efficient but nice and cheap I suppose.
Both spheres are now providing a basket case service, although the private sector does enjoy the advantage of new build sites.
Recruitment and retention is woeful, hence I'm spending October up in the Smoke to help plug the staffing gaps up there. I'll earn circa £2.5k extra for around 100 hours work, which to some is small beer but for a job with an average income, it shows the state the Service has got itself into.

it seems to show that the service is handling matters OK and a lot more cheaply than would be the case in the public sector

I'm glad you have the opportunity to see a little of London and earn some extra money

Tromking

CLAPTON wrote: »

it seems to show that the service is handling matters OK and a lot more cheaply than would be the case in the public sector

I'm glad you have the opportunity to see a little of London and earn some extra money

I think you've missed my point, but thank you anyway.

cells

Generali wrote: »

A. That nationalisation is even on the cards tells me that's wrong

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Generali wrote: »

B. Tube trains have drivers paid three times the salary of bus drivers despite not requiring drivers at all

nepotism exists in the private sector too. One of my managers a long time ago was barely able to function and was paid £250k for the pleasure of doing nothing.

Generali wrote: »

C. Yes but I'm not forced to pay for their mismanagement under threat of imprisonment (except banks).

what is it that you think they might nationalize that you have to use. the railways?

cells

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who is they? Politicians and civil servants have even less experience of running anything than they did. The leadership election speaks for itself!

they is the left

they learnt the mistake of history, nationalize something and pump it full of 10 x as much staff as it needs wont happen this time around it cant happen

the companies should be independent and run as for profit ventures. of course only those that are natural monopolies or where a natural monopoly is clearly an advantage.

Mistermeaner

cells wrote: »

they is the left

they learnt the mistake of history, nationalize something and pump it full of 10 x as much staff as it needs wont happen this time around it cant happen

the companies should be independent and run as for profit ventures. of course only those that are natural monopolies or where a natural monopoly is clearly an advantage.

Doesn't that just mean that the government buy a controlling stake on the open market and then install their own board to run it?

Why would the government be a better owner and why would their board be better?

Just one example but Deutsche post was privatised in 1995 - how has royal mail done in government ownership 1995 onwards compared to DHL?