Tata steel going under

antrobus

elantan wrote: »

why then make such a huge issue of the SNP if S!!!!horpe was in Scotland, we have our own Tata here in Motherwell ... why not just watch and see what they do there ... Or does that not suit your SNP BAAAAAAAAAADDDD bleat?

Now that you mention it, I think TSE Motherwell is part of Long Prouducts, which is up for sale, although the Klesch deal has now fallen though. There is a TSE plant at Clydebridge as well which is also Long Products.

elantan

Generali wrote: »

Nurse!!!!!!!! elantan's out of bed again.

TBH this seems like a whinge about manufacturers not being subsidised enough rather than Britain being a poor place to do business.

I would agree if the origonal post hadnt mentioned the SNP ... but they did ... so it yet becomes another SNP BBBBAAAAAAADDDDD post ... seriously these posts get mightily boring, can we not debate the subject matter without bringing the big bad SNPEEE into it

elantan

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Strong pound doesn't help, cheap imports from China don't either but biggest hindrance is electricity costs as a result of the carbon floor (green) tariff

A case of nationalisation? A case for tracking and cheap energy? A case for abolishing silly green energy taxes?

What say yee socialists? 30000 jobs to go

What would the snp do if s!!!!horpe was in Scotland?

Highlighted for you incase you cant read Generali

Mistermeaner

elantan wrote: »

Highlighted for you incase you cant read Generali

Hi - it wasn't an snp bad thread.

The UK government has spoken and said no more subsidy (having already given some 30 odd mil) and has also said it's continuing with the carbon floor policy (although they are clearly exploring shale)

It was a genuine question about how the other markedly different type of government in the UK might deal with this type of issue?

elantan

Ahh well in that case who really knows as I was pleasantly surprised at what the SG proposed for the fish industry yesterday so maybe they have a plan for Tata steel, I do hope many dont loose their job though as I feel the UK is suffering enough just now

Thrugelmir

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Strong pound doesn't help, cheap imports from China don't either but biggest hindrance is electricity costs as a result of the carbon floor (green) tariff

A case of nationalisation? A case for tracking and cheap energy? A case for abolishing silly green energy taxes?

What say yee socialists? 30000 jobs to go

What would the snp do if s!!!!horpe was in Scotland?

UK is primarily service industry based as a consequence not the demand of old. Industries wither that's a fact of life.

Mistermeaner

Thrugelmir wrote: »

UK is primarily service industry based as a consequence not the demand of old. Industries wither that's a fact of life.

This I can accept in part - however in my experience (and I work in industry) and as Clapton pointed out current energy policy is a huge challenge for energy intensive industry where the carbon floor policy essentially artificially increases the cost of production - industry dying through natural causes fine..... that's global economics but to deliberately tie the hands of your domestic producers seems daft.

The trouble with such policies is that they are not global - the eu alone is bad enough but the UK carbon floor is a double whammy.

The idea behind this extra tax is that it encourages green investment...... what it does in practice in close Tata steel (and a previous employer of mine Tata chemicals). Never mind you may say industry whithers - trouble is the demand for the stuff being made is generally only ever increasing so what happens is that someone somewhere else makes the stuff.

In general this is China or India or some other place with low costs and zero regard for both health and safety of staff and the environment - in attempting to help the environment in the UK people lose jobs, the economy suffers, the production moves somewhere much less environmentally conscious and the environment suffers even worse. Lose lose lose as far as I can tell...... where's the upside? This is without even counting the additional co2 from all the global shipping which is some of the worst offenders environmentally.

The typical eu response is to put up tariffs to imports which artificially increase the costs of imports to try and protect home industry - with mixed success but ultimately something we all pay for as the next step in the supply chain also jumps to China to access cheaper raw mats, make the finished goods in China then ship the end product here.

In general UK industry doesn't need subsidies, just needs the hand cuffs of counter productive green tariffs removing

Or shale