Religion to Get Into School?

Tlg1991

I find this thread pretty interesting reading it back, the non believers and non practising people having an actual discussion and an informed opinion where as the believers calling me a hypocrite and disgusting for the use of a religion when it suits and also immoral, not that i said i was going to do it i was just asking for peoples views on the topic.

Firstly, i am a non believer, as far as i am concerned it is words on paper and nothing more, if i can be a hypocrite to a book that means nothing then so be it, its all about perspective im a hypocrite to you, but in my view it means nothing.

Also why should a child not have access to the best education possible because their parent/s don't want to attend church every Sunday. every child should be entitled to the same standard no matter what your views it is pathetic!

And lastly, Schools Some schools forcing their beliefs as the be all and end all, as the way of life and how they should live the rest of their lives and i am the one who has a lack of morals? all schools have a set curriculum which should be taught by law and some (to many) branch off from this because of the schools religious title and beliefs of the staff. that is what is DISGUSTING!

Pixie5740

silvercar wrote: »

Problem with your view is that faith schools do well, even allowing for the areas they are in and the number of supported pupils etc So there is no way the government is going to abolish the state schools that are performing well and keep the sink schools going.

We need to learn why they do well and apply that teaching to all schools.

Even faith schools in less affluent areas have a selection process which allows them to cherry pick the pupils they want.

Parents of children in faith schools also tend to show more of an interest in their children's education which is why they are prepared to jump through all the hoops to get their children through the application process.

A friend of mine is a history teacher in a non-denominational state school. There is no application process, the school just gets the pupils in that catchment area. He knows whose parents will show up for parents' evening. Those with children doing well will attend and those with children not doing so well and falling behind will be no shows.

motorguy

Tlg1991 wrote: »

I know i could teach my child what to listen to and what to question, but surely its the schools job to ignite a bit of imagination in kids and give them knowledge to ask questions, not brain wash them with religious beliefs which from what i've heard is the only way i can describe what some schools do.

I really dont get your atheist view but the "need" to send your child to a school whereby they literally will have "the fear of god" brainwashed into them even if it is the top school in your area.

I'd rather have my child at a school that focused on a rounded education rather than convincing them they have an invisible friend in the sky who watches every thing they do but who is going to burn them in hell if they're bad.

Jagraf

Tlg1991 wrote: »

I don't have a problem with my kid being taught about religion from a historical point of view across all religions. At the same time i can't understand why they are taught about sex ed in RE?? that is the last place i want me kid learning about sex ed. my partner went through a catholic education and was taught sex is wrong, full stop. surely in this day and age their should be a lesson on proper sex education the use of condoms ( that what i did over a carrot lol) and also relationship education, the amount of young people being manipulated or thinking something is normal when in fact its far from is terrifying and a lot of it seems to get brushed under the carpet in most schools because of religious beliefs don't condone sex in the first place, or before marriage should i say.

There is a lot of history around sex. There are a lot of beliefs around sex too. This can be taught in RE or probably most other lessons. My daughter learnt about condoms but I don't know which lesson this was in.

seven-day-weekend

Tlg1991 wrote: »

I find this thread pretty interesting reading it back, the non believers and non practising people having an actual discussion and an informed opinion where as the believers calling me a hypocrite and disgusting for the use of a religion when it suits and also immoral, not that i said i was going to do it i was just asking for peoples views on the topic.

Firstly, i am a non believer, as far as i am concerned it is words on paper and nothing more, if i can be a hypocrite to a book that means nothing then so be it, its all about perspective im a hypocrite to you, but in my view it means nothing.

Also why should a child not have access to the best education possible because their parent/s don't want to attend church every Sunday. every child should be entitled to the same standard no matter what your views it is pathetic!

And lastly, Schools Some schools forcing their beliefs as the be all and end all, as the way of life and how they should live the rest of their lives and i am the one who has a lack of morals? all schools have a set curriculum which should be taught by law and some (to many) branch off from this because of the schools religious title and beliefs of the staff. that is what is DISGUSTING!

I for one have not said anything remotely like that. I said I would not pretend to have a religion when I hadn't and advised you that there was a way to get into the school on another criterion. What you do is up to you.

Please do not read things that are not there.

Tlg1991

motorguy wrote: »

I really dont get your atheist view but the "need" to send your child to a school whereby they literally will have "the fear of god" brainwashed into them even if it is the top school in your area.

I'd rather have my child at a school that focused on a rounded education rather than convincing them they have an invisible friend in the sky who watches every thing they do but who is going to burn them in hell if they're bad.

Well my partner was pretty religious before she met me, she still is in some way but she used to attend church services off her own back. she tells me now she isn't a believer as she has opened her mind from all the science crap i watch on tv haha i wasn't forcing her before people get judgemental about that, i was just watching some astronomy documentaries lol.

Anyway, i get the feeling she thinks its still pretty important for our future kid to attend a certain type of school.

BarryBlue

Pixie5740 wrote: »

Perhaps I should have been clearer. I don't think there should be any state faith schools. If people want to send their children to a fee paying faith school that's up to them but they shouldn't be state funded.

I couldn't agree more. There should be no religious 'worship' or indoctrination permitted at any state school. You go there to learn, not to listen to [Text removed by Forum Team]. The fact that faith schools exist and that every school, in theory at least, has to carry out a daily act of indoctrination demonstrates the undue influence exerted by the minority religious lobby in this country.

I believe every state school should be secular and if parents want to promote religion to their children it should be done by them, outside the school environment. Teaching children about comparative religion, including the damage they do, is the only part that should be in the curriculum.

Lily-Rose wrote: »

My opinion is that people have a flippin' nerve pretending to care about any religion JUST to get their kids in a religious school.

They will slate and berate and mock Christians, but will USE Christianity when it suits.

Disgusting.

Not disgusting at all, perfectly acceptable. Parents will naturally try to select the best school and if it happens to be 'faith' then so be it. I know someone who sent theirs to a CofE junior school and a catholic secondary school despite being atheist, and so what!

It is not 'a nerve' to carry out this pretence. [Text removed by Forum Team] so a bit of their own medicine is neither here nor there. It is hypocrisy for sure but there is nothing more hypocritical than religion. Good luck to them if they feel they are doing right for their children. There are no victims in such a deception.

Tlg1991

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I for one have not said anything remotely like that. I said I would not pretend to have a religion when I hadn't and advised you that there was a way to get into the school on another criterion. What you do is up to you.

Please do not read things that are not there.

I was not referring to you, i was referring to early posts that didn't provide much of an opinion but was quick to slate me for asking peoples views.

Jagraf

Tlg1991 wrote: »

I find this thread pretty interesting reading it back, the non believers and non practising people having an actual discussion and an informed opinion where as the believers calling me a hypocrite and disgusting for the use of a religion when it suits and also immoral, not that i said i was going to do it i was just asking for peoples views on the topic.

Firstly, i am a non believer, as far as i am concerned it is words on paper and nothing more, if i can be a hypocrite to a book that means nothing then so be it, its all about perspective im a hypocrite to you, but in my view it means nothing.

Also why should a child not have access to the best education possible because their parent/s don't want to attend church every Sunday. every child should be entitled to the same standard no matter what your views it is pathetic!

And lastly, Schools Some schools forcing their beliefs as the be all and end all, as the way of life and how they should live the rest of their lives and i am the one who has a lack of morals? all schools have a set curriculum which should be taught by law and some (to many) branch off from this because of the schools religious title and beliefs of the staff. that is what is DISGUSTING!

I think if you send your child to a religious school you will get the hump over something. It's a bit like enjoying classical and going to a rock concert. Neither is right or wrong its just a personal preference. You will spend all of yor time trying to ensure your child isn't being taught anything you disagree with. I'm not having a go, but you are wanting to send your child to a faith school without that child being subjected to any faith learning. For example, something like assembly. I'm happy for my daughter to sing hymns but you probably wouldn't be. So don't do it.

Tlg1991

Jagraf wrote: »

I think if you send your child to a religious school you will get the hump over something. It's a bit like enjoying classical and going to a rock concert. Neither is right or wrong its just a personal preference. You will spend all of yor time trying to ensure your child isn't being taught anything you disagree with. I'm not having a go, but you are wanting to send your child to a faith school without that child being subjected to any faith learning. For example, something like assembly. I'm happy for my daughter to sing hymns but you probably wouldn't be. So don't do it.

I went to a faith school and went to church with the school and did the hymes and so on. if my child did that i really would not have an issue with it at all!

like i have stated already plenty of time which you must have missed, my concern is my child being forced to follow that certain religion because of that schools faith and also the faith affecting other studies like science, which DOES happen.

I would be more than happy for my child to go through RE studies from a historical and modern day view as long as it is not taught that one is right and others are wrong. and unbiased teaching method.