Did not "appeal" within 28 days

DrA_Harrogate

Good morning. I am 'new' to this forum but inhabit another one so apologies in advance if I have failed to find the relevant thread despite searching. My son parked at his place of work and noticed a UKCPS guy ticketing; he zoomed out and talked to the chap, retrieving his permit from where it had fallen and showing it to him. 'Righto that's fine just ignore any letters' says your man. So perhaps ill-advisedly he duly ignores the letter from UKCPS. When the next one arrived looking most legal he (i.e.me) replies acknowledging their "Invoice" for 'parking without a valid permit' pointing out he did indeed have a permit as acknowledged by their employee. We are now at stage 3 with a letter saying he did not "appeal" within 28 days they cannot consider it.

We (me again) are researching assiduously, but ant pertinent advice/pointers gratefully received!

DrA

The_Deep

As this is UKCPS it will probably be a contractual charge on which v.a.t. is payable. Have they accounted for vat on their paperwork? If not it becomes a breach of contract and GPEOL applies More reading here

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5087925=

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5033796=

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5195437

If you suspect tax evasion go here

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs/contact/reporting-tax-evasion

It does not matter that they have denied you an appeal, you would have lost anyway, the IAS is far from independent. Most of its anonymous decisions are loaded in favour of the operator. If they were unwise enough to take this to court you could show the Judge some of their ridiculous decisions.

Redx

and read the NEWBIES sticky thread, it tells you all you need to know, including UKCPS and the IPC and the IAS (the kangaroo court with skippy)

as its out of time, you will have to weather the storm for 6 years (which is probably what you would have to do anyway even if the appeal had been lodged "in time")

its if you get an official LBC or MCOL within the next 6 years that you will have to "do something"

otherwise there is nothing else you can do, except complain to the landowner and demand a cancellation

have a read of parking pranksters blogs too, there is a wealth of information on there about the IPC and IAS etc

DrA_Harrogate

Many thanks. Some reading to do! I may get back...

DrA

Redx

fair enough, but "coming back" wont help as they have your son on a hook and he cannot easily wriggle off it, so you have to tough it out for 6 years, unless the landowner cancels, there is no easy medecine to take that will clear it up quickly

they want their money, you two dont want to pay it, so its stalemate , deadlock, for 6 years

you want an easy get out ? there isnt one , there wasnt one even if the appeal had gone in "in time" either

so it could get the same as this one

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5294133

DrA_Harrogate

Many thanks for thoughtful advice. I had of course read the newbie FAQs. A key aspect/difference between t'lads' situe and most/all of the distressed correspondents is that he was quite entitled to park, and had a permit to show this, which he showed to the operator as it had fallen off the dash. Heaven knows why UKCPS are pursuing this as we told them this and indeed sent a copy of the permit. Therefore the 'reason' for the PCN (parking without a valid permit) is just wrong.

I deduce that a letter from his employers (tenants on the estate) may not do the trick and we may need to approach Mr Wealthy Guy (the landowner, who he has met). Were I Mr WG I would be cross that my tenants were being harassed and be tempted to move my business. I may point this out to UKCPS in 'our' letter to them explaining things more fully!

As always suggestions from experienced folk most welcome and I shall of course post anything useful I/we find.

DrA

The_Deep

Heaven knows why UKCPS are pursuing this as we told them this and indeed sent a copy of the permit

Because they hope to bully you into paying. They hope that if they threaten to take your house, your kids, and your stethoscope, and write IN BIG RED LETTERS you will pay up, but in this case they appear to have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtXOisa0cY

Redx

DrA_Harrogate wrote: »

Many thanks for thoughtful advice. I had of course read the newbie FAQs. A key aspect/difference between t'lads' situe and most/all of the distressed correspondents is that he was quite entitled to park, and had a permit to show this, which he showed to the operator as it had fallen off the dash. Heaven knows why UKCPS are pursuing this as we told them this and indeed sent a copy of the permit. Therefore the 'reason' for the PCN (parking without a valid permit) is just wrong.

I deduce that a letter from his employers (tenants on the estate) may not do the trick and we may need to approach Mr Wealthy Guy (the landowner, who he has met). Were I Mr WG I would be cross that my tenants were being harassed and be tempted to move my business. I may point this out to UKCPS in 'our' letter to them explaining things more fully!

As always suggestions from experienced folk most welcome and I shall of course post anything useful I/we find.

DrA

agreed, except you have diagnosed common sense where there is none, just pure greed and profit drive these parking companies

they see a victim and go for it, they dont have a heart , conscience , or common sense

I think they all went to a special school , maybe it was "approved" , it certainly hasnt taught any of them respect , or right and wrong, just pure , unadulterated greed

DrA_Harrogate

I have read the IPC Code of Practice (it's raining). Oh dear they did not seem to mention their Complaints Procedure.... I may mention that.

DrA_Harrogate

Good afternoon

Text of draft reply to UKCPS..

" I must apologise for any lack of clarity in my previous letter. Since the invoice was issued incorrectly there is no parking charge as it was cancelled by your agent on the spot. You were in addition made aware of my entitlement to park in my previous letter attaching a copy of my permit.
I have requested my employer to confirm the cancellation of this charge on behalf of the landowner.

I would be delighted if you would confirm this cancellation. Any further communication must include details of your Complaints Procedure, omitted from existing correspondence."


I'm just guessing here but I'm not sure this will yet do the trick. I'm thinking that, since we have established beyond doubt that TJ was entitled to park, further demands will fall under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 which require reporting to the Police.


As always, thanks if you have any suggestions.


DrA