UK Coal Mining

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

I never said that they would. I was just pointing out that they were just as 'free' as your DC ring main.



I can assure you now, that knocking holes in people's walls and digging up their floorboards does indeed have a cost, and multiplied 27 million times, it might add up to a big number.



Oh great! Now I've got to find room to store some batteries and power sources, as well as endure the inconvenience of having someone rewire the house.

Seems to be a lot of fuss and bother just to keep a few coal mines open.

Did you miss when installed.

Positioning batteries wouldn't be a problem wouldn't need a complete rewire could use exiting wiring.

It would remove the need for coal mines.

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

....It would remove the need for coal mines.

Great.

So you started off by telling us all how we needed coal and the wonders of CCS, and now you're telling us that we don't need any coal mines at all.

Well, at least now we now.

UK coal mining is dead.

Thread over.:)

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

Great.

So you started off by telling us all how we needed coal and the wonders of CCS, and now you're telling us that we don't need any coal mines at all.

Well, at least now we now.

UK coal mining is dead.

Thread over.:)

Funny how things change over 30 years isn't it. Carbon capture could contribute to our future power needs.

I believe UK coal mining is almost dead. But let's hope someone comes up with something better than windmills.

Martyn1981

cells wrote: »

Thanks but I don't buy any of that

Of course you don't. You've previously told me that you don't believe the claims over the health impacts of coal emissions.

Living in denial of the real cost of fossil fuels and the subsidies they receive ($5.3tn pa) by not being held accountable for their full impact, is an essential position now for those still wishing to complain or criticise the open and transparent subsidies ($120bn pa) being paid to renewables.

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF

Nobody likes the idea of subsidies, but until the playing field is level, renewables will continue to need support. But the level of support is shrinking fast.

Mart.

Martyn1981

ukcarper wrote: »

But let's hope someone comes up with something better than windmills.

Wind turbines (on-shore) are already closing in on FF generation in the UK, probably already there if you include carbon and pollution costs. The costs are still falling, but they are already cheaper than the planned new-nuclear costs.

Off-shore is more expensive, but it means a wider catchment area, and helps smooth out some of the peaks and troughs.

I appreciate that it is an intermittent generation, but you previously mentioned a multi-pronged approach, which is why wind is only part of a renewables package, with each technology offering something different. PV and wind for example are excellent partners since they tend to generate at different times and are stronger in different seasons.

Energy efficiency, conservation, distributed generation also add to the mix. With gas filling in as a demand follower and later on as needed for baseload as dirty coal continues to get eliminated from our mix.

The problem is vast, and the one thing we can't do without is wind.

Mart.

ukcarper

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Wind turbines (on-shore) are already closing in on FF generation in the UK, probably already there if you include carbon and pollution costs. The costs are still falling, but they are already cheaper than the planned new-nuclear costs.

Off-shore is more expensive, but it means a wider catchment area, and helps smooth out some of the peaks and troughs.

I appreciate that it is an intermittent generation, but you previously mentioned a multi-pronged approach, which is why wind is only part of a renewables package, with each technology offering something different. PV and wind for example are excellent partners since they tend to generate at different times and are stronger in different seasons.

Energy efficiency, conservation, distributed generation also add to the mix. With gas filling in as a demand follower and later on as needed for baseload as dirty coal continues to get eliminated from our mix.

The problem is vast, and the one thing we can't do without is wind.

Mart.

I see a place for wind but not as a primary source I think we are stuck with coal for a few years yet.

Mistermeaner

Fracking is the future; cheap and clean and totally safe, comes with free raw mats for the pet chem industry with added bonus of a slight chance of sinking BOTH blackpool and Scotland.

Sorted.

ukcarper

ggb1979 wrote: »

Fracking is the future; cheap and clean and totally safe, comes with free raw mats for the pet chem industry with added bonus of a slight chance of sinking BOTH blackpool and Scotland.

Sorted.

What about Southern England.

Mistermeaner

Yep that too.

ukcarper

ggb1979 wrote: »

Yep that too.

I can see why you want to dig that hole now but there are easier ways to get out of country.