autonomous cars

bazster

How would a human driver decide?

jaydeeuk1

bazster wrote: »

How would a human driver decide?

Aim for the uglier one?

Tobster86

bazster wrote: »

How would a human driver decide?

My point was, due to factors of judgement and fear, they quite often don't.

An AI would do whatever it was programmed to do with the type of emergency it was facing; emotionlessly, optimally, and unrelentingly. Constantly making decisions every few microseconds whilst it was still receiving meaningful input from its array of sensors, and expecting no thanks at the end.

welfayre

bazster wrote: »

How would a human driver decide?

Human drivers exist AI cars don't.

For them to become a reality you'd have figure out a way for a machine to decide the value of one human life over another and that's the conundrum.

bazster

welfayre wrote: »

Human drivers exist AI cars don't.

For them to become a reality you'd have figure out a way for a machine to decide the value of one human life over another and that's the conundrum.

As Tobster86 says the machine would do what it was programmed to do. The value decisions would be made by the designers, not the machines, and would be based on a huge range of factors, many of them statistical, carefully considered at great length.

Whereas a human driver faced with the scenario outlined would be totally incapable of weighing up the situation and coming to a reasoned conclusion in a split second. He or she would simply do something totally irrational in a blind panic.

RichardD1970

DominicH wrote: »

Humans, even lazy ones, are still way better at handling novel situations than AI. Unexpected massive pothole in the road? Humans will usually see it for what it is and take avoiding action. AI might not see it, or be unable to tell if it's just a shadow or dark patch of road, and plough straight into it. There are countless other situations that will catch AI out. Really, it all comes back to the basic challenge of these kind of AI systems - endowing them with "common sense", which we haven't even come close to yet.

I know that the Google cars have done a lot of miles, but almost all in a relatively small area that they have mapped in enormous detail (way beyond Google Maps level of detail).

Already being worked on,

http://newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com/en-in/jlr-corp/news/2015/06/jlr_pothole_alert_research_100615/

FreddieFrugal

bap98189 wrote: »

Self-driving cars are already far safer than human driven ones and the technology is improving all the time.

but obviously they're safer in the small quantities being tested. It's a different matter when you have millions of them out on the road.

When car manufacturers can struggle to even make automated windscreen wipers work reliably why would you trust them with you and your families lives in such a direct way. Computers crash, seize up and go wrong! It's a fact of life.

I don't care if it has faster reflexes than I do, it's a machine not a person. It scares me how eager some people are on here to put all of their trust unquestionably into a machine.

I hope my car won't breakdown but know it could happen. I know for a fact that it can't take over complete control of the car from me.

This is all turning too much into Terminator, Battlestar Galactica or The Matrix with overdevelopment of machines.

victor2

IanRi wrote: »

When car manufacturers can struggle to even make automated windscreen wipers work reliably why would you trust them with you and your families lives in such a direct way. Computers crash, seize up and go wrong! It's a fact of life.

^^
We have a car that has "self parking". It is nothing but a gimmick. Out of curiosity, I've used it in an almost empty car park a few times. You have to initially line the car up in just the right spot to reverse into the desired space, then confirm with its camera that what it has marked is indeed where you want to end up, then you confirm that it is your fault if it hits anything and finally let go of the steering wheel and just control the brake (it is an automatic). In the real world you would have a queue of impatient drivers behind you and/or someone will have driven into the spot you were aiming for. I've never even tried its claimed ability to parallel park for similar reasons.
That is a car with technology several years old, so I'm sure improvements have been, and will continue to be, made. But it has a long long way to go.

zaax

If at the end of the day if it reduces accidents by 90% is it a no brainer to move to driverless cars?

andyfr_2

This won't happen for a very long time if ever. You would have to have 100% of driverless cars to get to the levels of safety which are predicted. There are a lot of us who actually do like driving believe it or not and would resist giving up their passion.