Benefit cuts to hit more than 330,000 children

tea-bag

If you are on benefits and receive child support it should be paid to the government. Any left over to cover your benefits should be paid to you. It is madness that child support is not counted as income!! I know the reason why but that is why you pay the government so the person claiming still gets money to survive.

Mersey_2

sky111 wrote: »

All conservative MPs voted in favour of the welfare reform bill.

Actually only 308 Conservative MPs voted for the Bill.


The Government majority was 184 and 184 Labour MPs abstained.

missapril75

rogerblack wrote: »

Because nobody ever dies.

I was curious as to how many lone parents were widowed.

...there were nearly 2.0 million lone parents with dependent children in the UK in 2011... women accounted for 92 per cent...7 per cent of male lone parents with dependent children are widowed, more than double the percentage of female lone parents.

Interesting that the rate for lone parent widowers is more than double that of widows. Just 3% of the lone parent mums are widows.

By my calculation that's over 96% of lone parents not because of someone dying.

poppasmurf_bewdley

Mersey wrote: »

Actually only 308 Conservative MPs voted for the Bill.


The Government majority was 184 and 184 Labour MPs abstained.

The remaining 23 Conservative MP's who didn't vote will either have been off ill, or absent because of Parliamentary duties such as being abroad, entertaining foreign officials, etc., etc.

If the government's whips had thought there was any danger of the vote being lost, these non-voters would have been dragged back even if it meant flying back from Australia. That has happened in the past many, many times.

zappo_2

It's wrong.

bloolagoon

missapril75 wrote: »

I was curious as to how many lone parents were widowed.

Interesting that the rate for lone parent widowers is more than double that of widows. Just 3% of the lone parent mums are widows.

By my calculation that's over 96% of lone parents not because of someone dying.

In addition don't they get some of the pensions or other benefits if widowed? I know my MIL was widowed early and got something from my FIL contributions.

cifpower

I watched the debate last night. The SNP went back to the 1980s and Thatcher to denounce these plans. Lord knows why. Labour got very annoyed when people said benefits dependency was a lifestyle choice.

To that point, on budget day Sky News were in a marketplace in Northampton and spoke to a stall holder. This man said he was married with 4 kids. He worked 24 hours a week. He said it was impossible to get any more hours as there are no jobs out there. Hmmm.

Mersey_2

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

The remaining 23 Conservative MP's who didn't vote will either have been off ill, or absent because of Parliamentary duties such as being abroad, entertaining foreign officials, etc., etc.

If the government's whips had thought there was any danger of the vote being lost, these non-voters would have been dragged back even if it meant flying back from Australia. That has happened in the past many, many times.

That's true to an extent (although 2 of those are the Speaker and Deputy who can't vote).


The SNP's point was that the majority would have been in single figures (2 Tory MPs have said they'd have abstained anyway as they don't support abolishing HB for the under 21s), plus the SNP, DUP, LDs, SDLP, Plaid and the Green all voted against.


Yes, the Govt did try that over Syria, but still lost and 2 still didn't get back from abroad in time for the vote.


The 2010-2015 Parliament was the most rebellious and the new intake of Labour MPs seem to be as the Tory 2010 intake were.

pmlindyloo

I have thought a lot about the announcements made in the budget about welfare reform.

My own view is that the whole benefits system has had a huge effect on the attitude of people towards life in general.

I worry that people take advantage of the current system and from the posters on here I am not alone.

I also worry about the effect of those who are genuinely disabled and will also be affected by the loss of the WRAG component (new claimants I mean).

I console myself with the fact that those with disabilities can claim PIP to help with the cost of their disabilities but then worry that the claiming process for PIP is too difficult for the majority.

I worry that not enough trained welfare advisors are there to give help and support to these people and grants are being withdrawn from such advisors.

I hope that the intention behind the welfare reform is to make people responsible for their own lives/actions and that reliance on the state becomes a thing of the past.

I hope that less reliance on the state will mean that communities come together to help each other and see that no one is left without food, shelter and warmth.

I hope that people will realise that going through hard times is often just part of life and things usually get better if you make an effort and 'make do and mend '.

I hope and I dream..................

BJV

pmlindyloo wrote: »

I have thought a lot about the announcements made in the budget about welfare reform.

My own view is that the whole benefits system has had a huge effect on the attitude of people towards life in general.

I worry that people take advantage of the current system and from the posters on here I am not alone.

I also worry about the effect of those who are genuinely disabled and will also be affected by the loss of the WRAG component (new claimants I mean).

I console myself with the fact that those with disabilities can claim PIP to help with the cost of their disabilities but then worry that the claiming process for PIP is too difficult for the majority.

I worry that not enough trained welfare advisors are there to give help and support to these people and grants are being withdrawn from such advisors.

I hope that the intention behind the welfare reform is to make people responsible for their own lives/actions and that reliance on the state becomes a thing of the past.

I hope that less reliance on the state will mean that communities come together to help each other and see that no one is left without food, shelter and warmth.

I hope that people will realise that going through hard times is often just part of life and things usually get better if you make an effort and 'make do and mend '.

I hope and I dream..................

Completely agree. The benefit system has had so much press recently and for all the wrong reasons.


Yes I think anyone in the right mind knows that we have to do something about the cost of our benefits bill. Public outcry about sensational stories of spongers means that genuine people can be tarred with the same brush. So Sad and such a shame.


As for cuts ???? Sorry I have made no secret of the fact that I would of loved more children. But I could not afford them, childcare etc so I stopped at two. That was my choice not my children's. I did what I thought was right at the time.


Do I feel sorry for the children who will be caught in the back lash god yes. 100%. My only hope is that it will give the parents the kick up the **** they need to start to think that it is their responsibility to provide for their themselves and their children and not the tax payer. The system should be there to help those in need and not be a career choice. Instead leave the benefits allowances to genuine people who genuinely need them.


For the record an iphone and sky tv are not included in any act of law concerning basic human rights!!!


As for social cleansing ???? I work really hard but as another post said can not afford to live in certain areas. Just because someone is on benefits why should they have priority or a god given right to choose where they live?


The day that happens I can down tools and set off to live in a beautiful 4 bed detached, big garden, somewhere like Notting hill?