What's the fuss about this new benefit caps?

Mistermeaner

michaels wrote: »

I work 38 hours a week.

Just to be clear this is cash benefit, don't qualify for housing benefit.

But your partner doesn't work?

You get over a grand a month cash tax free of free money you can spend on whatever you like and never have to pay back?

If I was allowed to keep that tax i pay to fund your lifestyle I could maybe afford better tuition for my son who is struggling at school due to some minor learning difficulties.

It would also maybe help pay for the childcare I have to pay for to look after my son while I'm at work. He does 9-10 hour days.

Maybe by way of thanks I could get some help in the house and garden to do all the jobs I just don't get time for

michaels

ukcarper wrote: »

Yea people should read post correctly before having a pop. Will you be effected by reforms to WTC

The rearangement I made due to the disregard had the beneficial side effect that I will not be hit by the budget changes. Universal benefit would have killed it though...

ggb1979 wrote: »

But your partner doesn't work?

You get over a grand a month cash tax free of free money you can spend on whatever you like and never have to pay back?

If I was allowed to keep that tax i pay to fund your lifestyle I could maybe afford better tuition for my son who is struggling at school due to some minor learning difficulties.

It would also maybe help pay for the childcare I have to pay for to look after my son while I'm at work. He does 9-10 hour days.

Maybe by way of thanks I could get some help in the house and garden to do all the jobs I just don't get time for

I am not doing anything that you couldn't, you could probably do better with you childcare costs.

Mistermeaner

Sorry I don't understand

What you're doing that I can't is getting free money I think?

How could I do better with childcare costs?

michaels

Put all your income in your pension.

Mistermeaner

Is that what you do?

I'm sorry but I would find that morally wrong.

I have no issue with paying tax and also believe in a welfare state but am shocked at how much cash you and your family get, at my expense.

Generali

stator wrote: »

Social cleansing.
It's the fault of the conservatives that house prices have gone up so much. It's also their fault that half the council houses are now in the hands of private landlords renting them back to the state at twice the cost. So now they are forcing poor people to move because of their failed housing policies.

It's pretty unpleasant to compare cutting benefits to what would be a huge amount of money in most of Europe let alone the world with some of the worst war crimes ever committed.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

It's pretty unpleasant to compare cutting benefits to what would be a huge amount of money in most of Europe let alone the world with some of the worst war crimes ever committed.

Cutting benefits = people unable to pay housing costs = poorer people moving to specific areas = poorer people concentrated in specific areas = ? It's just logic. If benefits, even to those in work won't cover the costs of housing, people will have to move. And they'll all move to where cheap housing is. Usually, where unemployment is already a massive problem.

Unpleasant. But unfortunately in some areas of the UK housing costs are a 'huge amount of money'. And no-one is immune from unemployment ( most is temporary ), illness or an unforeseen change of circumstances. A race to the bottom fueled by cries of 'why should I when others...' never ends well usually.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Cutting benefits = people unable to pay housing costs = poorer people moving to specific areas = poorer people concentrated in specific areas = ? It's just logic. If benefits, even to those in work won't cover the costs of housing, people will have to move. And they'll all move to where cheap housing is. Usually, where unemployment is already a massive problem.

Unpleasant. But unfortunately in some areas of the UK housing costs are a 'huge amount of money'. And no-one is immune from unemployment ( most is temporary ), illness or an unforeseen change of circumstances. A race to the bottom fueled by cries of 'why should I when others...' never ends well usually.

Comparing cutting housing benefit with people being murdered in their beds and driven out of neighbourhoods by armies and paramilitaries is at best gratuitously melodramatic and at worst belittling some of the most despicable acts of the C20th.

skintmacflint

Welfare Reforms Bill has just cleared its first parliamentary hurdle after MPs vote 308 to 124 , a government majority of 184.

skintmacflint

ggb1979 wrote: »

Is that what you do?

I'm sorry but I would find that morally wrong.

I have no issue with paying tax and also believe in a welfare state but am shocked at how much cash you and your family get, at my expense.

Like many of today's pensioners who contribute more from private pensions than they receive from state pension, I also firmly believe in the continuance of a Welfare state, and have no objection to contributing.

But the cost and cover given now exceeds our capabilities, so something has to change. Possibly more state housing would help , if for every 5 built, 3 were allocated to families in work who can afford the full rent to help with the cost.

No easy solutions , otherwise I expect it would have been done by now. Perhaps it's time to accept that the days when successive generations naturally enjoyed improved living standards and conditions, have passed.

With global and emerging economies now competing, it's maybe their time to enjoy a share of improved living conditions.