Tenants refusing access

Word_1503

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fed_up_and_stressed

ViolaLass wrote: »

Why would you care what the reason is? Will you be checking that it was true?

What do you intend to do if they keep refusing? You can't threaten to evict, they're leaving anyway!

I note this hasn't been answered by the op.

Suppose the reason is something the op deems as trivial ? Sounds like this contract of his has more holes than a packet of polos.

Look the tenants have been more than accomodating allowing access within 40 hours a week. I suggest if you want more you need to throw in some incentives.

I haven't seen anything on here from the OP suggesting he is willing to compromise at all.

Also most surveyors would want access during office hrs anyway.

G_M

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

Also most surveyors would want access during office hrs anyway.

Most, yes.

My surveyor freelances and offers cut-price surveys doe in the evenings. He does charge an extra 5% on surveys undertaken after midnight though, but still better value than RICS surveyors.

Oh - yes, did I mention he has no training or qualifications? But he definately knows a roof tile from a brick.

Word_1503

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

I note this hasn't been answered by the op.

Suppose the reason is something the op deems as trivial ? Sounds like this contract of his has more holes than a packet of polos.

Look the tenants have been more than accomodating allowing access within 40 hours a week. I suggest if you want more you need to throw in some incentives.

I haven't seen anything on here from the OP suggesting he is willing to compromise at all.

Also most surveyors would want access during office hrs anyway.

my original post was asking what others felt as reasonable & I am assuming that you & those that think the 40 hours a week (but actually just 5 days of 9-5pm so it may as well be one day they have given) are all tenants? Or at the least not landlords.

As previously stated we have been more than accommodating when needed - we let them change the move in date, we allowed them to have a pet, there was an issue with the rent payment date so we amended it, we have had new cooker because they 'couldn't get on with electric', we had new lighting installed but the old one shone only on their 52" TV, we have had a cat flap put in for the cat, and many more things that we certainly didn't have to do but we did, to be accommodating to our tenants. So, it would be nice if they could have given 15 minutes of one weekend to us.

As stated though, it is no longer an issue but it is frustrating to see so many people obviously against landlords.

HappyMJ

Word_1503 wrote: »

my original post was asking what others felt as reasonable & I am assuming that you & those that think the 40 hours a week (but actually just 5 days of 9-5pm so it may as well be one day they have given) are all tenants? Or at the least not landlords.

As previously stated we have been more than accommodating when needed - we let them change the move in date, we allowed them to have a pet, there was an issue with the rent payment date so we amended it, we have had new cooker because they 'couldn't get on with electric', we had new lighting installed but the old one shone only on their 52" TV, we have had a cat flap put in for the cat, and many more things that we certainly didn't have to do but we did, to be accommodating to our tenants. So, it would be nice if they could have given 15 minutes of one weekend to us.

As stated though, it is no longer an issue but it is frustrating to see so many people obviously against landlords.

I'm a landlord..you've been pandering to too many of their requests. I mean a catflap...what landlord installs a catflap for a tenant. The door can be opened to let the cat out. New lighting? There's no need for that. I would have suggested they get table lamps. Gas oven replacing an electric oven because they don't like it? Why? They took on the tenancy knowing it was electric that's just too bad.

Yes it would have been nice of them to give you 15 minutes on the weekend but they don't have to do it.

Angie_B

Word_1503 wrote: »

my original post was asking what others felt as reasonable & I am assuming that you & those that think the 40 hours a week (but actually just 5 days of 9-5pm so it may as well be one day they have given) are all tenants? Or at the least not landlords.

Not really. You want them to bend over backwards to accommodate you when there is no benefit to them, but find it completely unreasonable that they think you (who are the one benefiting from this) should be the one to work around them.

This is what people are attempting to point out to you. Where is the benefit to them to have their evenings/weekends disrupted and their home (and it is their home - they pay for that privilege through rent) invaded by strangers? They have been more than reasonable offering you 40 hours a week to visit.

Word_1503 wrote: »

As stated though, it is no longer an issue but it is frustrating to see so many people obviously against landlords.

I disagree with this - people here are not automatically against landlords at all. They are, however, against landlords who try to impose unenforceable terms in contracts, who forget that their tenants have the right to quiet enjoyment, or who act in an unreasonable manner.

(For the record, they are also against tenants who don't pay rent, trash properties, and act in an unreasonable manner but unfortunately, in this case, your tenants haven't!).

fed_up_and_stressed

Word_1503 wrote: »

my original post was asking what others felt as reasonable & I am assuming that you & those that think the 40 hours a week (but actually just 5 days of 9-5pm so it may as well be one day they have given) are all tenants? Or at the least not landlords.

As previously stated we have been more than accommodating when needed - we let them change the move in date, we allowed them to have a pet, there was an issue with the rent payment date so we amended it, we have had new cooker because they 'couldn't get on with electric', we had new lighting installed but the old one shone only on their 52" TV, we have had a cat flap put in for the cat, and many more things that we certainly didn't have to do but we did, to be accommodating to our tenants. So, it would be nice if they could have given 15 minutes of one weekend to us.

As stated though, it is no longer an issue but it is frustrating to see so many people obviously against landlords.

Nope im not a tenant. I own multiple properties. No one has slated landlords on this thread, there have been multiple suggestions of compromise though, e.g offering them a sweetener which you have yet again failed to acknowledge.

They are perfectly within their rights to not allow you access for viewings hint -google tenants, quiet enjoyment. They have offered way in excess of that.

ViolaLass

Word_1503 wrote: »

my original post was asking what others felt as reasonable & I am assuming that you & those that think the 40 hours a week (but actually just 5 days of 9-5pm so it may as well be one day they have given) are all tenants? Or at the least not landlords.

Oh, that old chestnut. Unsurprisingly, you're wrong. I have been a tenant and I am a landlord.

I also note you haven't answered my points in post 33.

What's in it for the tenants?

45002

Word_1503 wrote:

Well we've been very accommodating with several matters actually.

Anyway, we've now had some legal advice & the 24 hours notice can be for any day of the week - not just week days. It seems the very thorough contract we had signed with the tenants covers us for the access & the tenants must supply a written reason why it is not suitable for them (I.e they are entertaining, have visitors, are doing DIY etc). There is no such thing as 'normal hours'.

they have also just confirmed their leaving date & we've had a reference request. Good news all round

Word_1503

I look into this a lot even had advice off 2 different solicitors and a TRO.

There nothing in law to say a tenant has to co operate with viewings to do with the sale of a property or showing new tenants around ...

If it's written into a tenancy agreement about viewings and the tenant does not co operate, you would have to apply for a Injunction to enforce which could take long than the eviction process.

Suggest you negotiate with the tenant times/dates to suit you both or wait until you have full possession of the property, following the correct procedures.

Blackpool_Saver

Word_1503 wrote: »

they have also just confirmed their leaving date & we've had a reference request. Good news all round

They cannot have a confirmed leaving date if they are still at the referencing stage