28M - Ex-police (resigned) and bankrupt - career advice?

tomtontom

With regard to the H&S role, there is usually an expectation that you have a background in the field for which you are applying. For instance if it is a factory it would be expected that you had already worked at supervisor level in a similar environment. NEBOSH is not a one size fits all, you have to know how to apply the theory in the respective work environment.

I'd agree that any kind of security or close protection work is out of the question, at least with a legitimate employer.

Retail is generally low paid even at the higher levels.

What do you enjoy doing? You need to focus on this, and on the longer term goal, not just what will make you money.

skint_chick

MI5 isn't going to happen with bankruptcy and gross misconduct, you'd never pass the counter terrorism security check. Even being a security guard is going to be an issue having a 5 year checkable background - all the decent security jobs require at least 5/10yrs checkable and referencing and no major financial problems to get licenced. I think that you should get out there and find yourself a voluntary position ASAP. It will motivate you, give you some skills for a cv and also help with the reference issue. If you have a good reference to add to the police one then it might help mitigate it a bit - it can't do any harm anyway. If you only have GCSEs then you may be eligible for free or subsidised training courses to get NVQs etc - have you asked the jobcentre about this? You're probably going to find that any job you get will be minimum wage and you'll have to adjust your expectations of what a comfortable lifestyle is - you just need to figure out how to make your money go further and enjoy different kinds of treats/luxuries.

xsinaftersinx

I had a similar thing about 10 years ago mate, don’t think you are alone in this.

I had what most would consider a ‘dream’ job in the entertainment industry working alongside many ‘famous’ people, going to all the expensive London clubs, all expenses paid travel all over Europe and the world and I stuffed it up. In all this time I’ve always blamed the management at the company I worked at for me leaving but in all honesty it was me that was the issue, I’ve never admitted that before, I enjoyed the job a little too much.

I ended up moving to the other end of the country, back with family, with no job, no money, multiple CCJ’s and no real friends (the amount of fake friends that you make working in entertainment that don’t want to know when you are not in that world anymore is untrue, a lot removed me from Facebook even). I ended up getting a job in a call centre, it’s the only place that would hire me. I worked my way through and I now have a career away from call centres but I’ve thankfully gone from a £12k a year job to an over £45k a year job in the last 6 years. I still struggle everyday trying to make ends meet (as the salary grows so does the spending) but I feel like I’m now making a difference again.

It’s possible, you just need to have patience, find something that you can show passion in (I liked call centres strangely as it felt like I was making a small difference to everyone I talked to) and develop yourself a new skillset. I found that dealing with ego’s in the celebrity world helped me to deal with senior management when managing projects and it went from there.

Just have some faith, you’ll get there.

youngbuck2

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

For anyone interested here are the Home Office guidelines and definitions for dealing with police conduct issues:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/330235/MisconductPerformAttendanceJuly14.pdf

I'd suggest that the behaviour would need to be substantial to merit a severity classification of 'gross misconduct'.

With 'lesser' behaviour, 'words of advice', retraining, warnings etc would be the most likely outcomes.

Here are some examples:

http://content.met.police.uk/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Type&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fpdf&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3D%22584%2F750%2FHearings+-+Results+Data+final+publication+April-June+14.pdf%22&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1283791250287&ssbinary=true

http://content.met.police.uk/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Type&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fpdf&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3D%22669%2F59%2FMisconduct+Findings+Jul+2014+-+Sept+2014+%283%29.pdf%22&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1283829848714&ssbinary=true

Having worked in a similar environment for decades I can honestly say I have never seen a dismissal for one isolated 'unsavoury' comment. There tend to be opportunities to place context, state of mind, stressful environment etc as mitigation. Outcomes tend to be re-training, mentoring or even a final written warning.... Proportionality is the key.

As all of this information is in the public domain (as required by FoIA) it won't take much for an employer to do a credibility check on the explanation.

And your point in all of this is? The only reason I can think of that you would decide to put so much effort into a post like this is to try and make me out to be dishonest?

I've mentioned I didn't want to go into detail on a public forum for obvious reasons, so have described it in vague terms. There is no need whatsoever for you to go into detail, supplying links to Home Office guidelines etc. If someone is interested enough they can conduct their own research.

But for you to reply in detail about your doubts over my GM matter because I am vague about it, is a bit malicious if I'm honest. No need for it at all.

I'm come on here asking for help and advice which the vast majority on here have done and been very helpful. But you seem to want to focus on that particular aspect when it is a very sensitive matter for me and is causing me a lot of issues.

tomtontom

Tiddlywinks makes an excellent point - you need to think of how your disciplinary issue will look to a potential employer. Your assertion that what you did was not overly serious or was an isolated incident is at odds with disciplinary guidance.

It doesn't matter a jot what anyone on here thinks about what you did. What is important is how it is perceived by a potential employer, and they may well feel that your story does not stack up.

youngbuck2

tomtontom wrote: »

With regard to the H&S role, there is usually an expectation that you have a background in the field for which you are applying. For instance if it is a factory it would be expected that you had already worked at supervisor level in a similar environment. NEBOSH is not a one size fits all, you have to know how to apply the theory in the respective work environment.

I'd agree that any kind of security or close protection work is out of the question, at least with a legitimate employer.

Retail is generally low paid even at the higher levels.

What do you enjoy doing? You need to focus on this, and on the longer term goal, not just what will make you money.

Without all of this hanging over my head, I normally enjoy keeping fit/going to the gym/cycling, but not enough to intentionally go out of my way to work in a gym?

Seeing as you've near enough written off the three options I thought had the most potential, can you recommend any other options?

Perhaps I should just erase any mention of working for the past 8 years and pretend I went travelling/volunteering abroad or something? I still have good references from before the police..

[Deleted User]

Sorry if already covered, OP how long ago was the bankruptcy?

youngbuck2

tomtontom wrote: »

Tiddlywinks makes an excellent point - you need to think of how your disciplinary issue will look to a potential employer. Your assertion that what you did was not overly serious or was an isolated incident is at odds with disciplinary guidance.

It doesn't matter a jot what anyone on here thinks about what you did. What is important is how it is perceived by a potential employer, and they may well feel that your story does not stack up.

He did have a point to make, but to go into it in such length and depth was only to suggest I wasn't being truthful.

As I said before, on a public forum which is viewable by anybody, it is not the time nor place for me to go into lots of detail about what happened. I have intentionally been vague, and rightly so.

When the time comes for me to discuss this with a potential employer I will go into all the detail they want.

For now, I'd like to keep on topic and continue discussing what careers/jobs are available, not hanging up on the specific reasons I ran into trouble. It's enough of a problem having a bad reference and misconduct against my name.

youngbuck2

Deleted%20User wrote: »

Sorry if already covered, OP how long ago was the bankruptcy?

A couple of months ago (Early April).

mustang121

Stop fixating on your salary of £40K that you had, that's in the past and it will only upset you more.


Right now even a job that paid £16k would significantly improve your life that you currently have.




I agree with the others that your options are:
1) Learn a trade and become self-employed.
2) Find a decent company, start from the bottom and take advantage of obtaining new qualifications through work.
3) Get any job, figure out what you want to do and obtain self-fund your own qualifications.