28M - Ex-police (resigned) and bankrupt - career advice?

youngbuck2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Very difficult for someone who hasn't studied for 12 years and then not above GCSE level to jump to degree level study. Are you going to get your parents to pay your course fees as well?

Good luck anyway.

What has that got to do with anything? I studied above GCSE at A2 Level actually. and left as wanted to join the police. No, I'm doing what most people do and paying with tuition feeds.

I feel sorry for you if you spent your Wednesday nights being sarcastic on an internet forum.

I'm trying my best when faced with adversity and black marks against my name to reform myself and build a new career, what's wrong with that? The vast majority of people on here have been supportive and constructive. I know the vast mountain of work I have ahead of me and if I show an aptitude for study, why not? Worst case scenario is I need an extra year or two, but it's not the end of the world.

There was absolutely no need for that sarcastic comment about my parents paying for fees. I am paying my way to live here, why not make the best use of my time and actually study for something instead of doing nothing?

Transformers

Working 20hrs a week will not provide sufficient money to fully 'pay your way' with your parents. You should be doing the washing up, helping with the decorating, doing the ironing etc etc to make it up to your parents. Like it or not, they have taken you in when you had nowhere else to go and probably didn't count on you then saying you are only going to work part time and then live with them for the next three years to go back to studying.

Parents whose children have fled the nest will want to help their adult kids but this situation is going way beyond their duty so you should be very, very grateful for that.

I agree with one of the previous posters - you need to learn and communicate with a bit of humility.

You resigned with a gross misconduct charge still ongoing - the vast majority of employers will assume (correctly) that you jumped before you were pushed.

All that bluster in your post about heroic deeds, increased red tape etc is just smoke and mirrors - you left because you expected to be sacked. That whole post at #93 just came across as arrogant and deflecting attention away from the real issue.

And, yes, I have ample law enforcement experience so well know the changes and pressures involved.

missbiggles1

youngbuck2 wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything? I studied above GCSE at A2 Level actually. and left as wanted to join the police. No, I'm doing what most people do and paying with tuition feeds.

I feel sorry for you if you spent your Wednesday nights being sarcastic on an internet forum.

I'm trying my best when faced with adversity and black marks against my name to reform myself and build a new career, what's wrong with that? The vast majority of people on here have been supportive and constructive. I know the vast mountain of work I have ahead of me and if I show an aptitude for study, why not? Worst case scenario is I need an extra year or two, but it's not the end of the world.

There was absolutely no need for that sarcastic comment about my parents paying for fees. I am paying my way to live here, why not make the best use of my time and actually study for something instead of doing nothing?

You seem not to know that you can't get a student loan to do 120 credits with the OU in one year, which is why I asked who was paying, as you said you had no money.

You may not like what people are saying but that doesn't mean that they're not trying to be helpful.

(Although the arrogance you're showing on here goes a long way to explaining your situation, I'm afraid.)

youngbuck2

Transformers wrote: »

Working 20hrs a week will not provide sufficient money to fully 'pay your way' with your parents. You should be doing the washing up, helping with the decorating, doing the ironing etc etc to make it up to your parents. Like it or not, they have taken you in when you had nowhere else to go and probably didn't count on you then saying you are only going to work part time and then live with them for the next three years to go back to studying.

Parents whose children have fled the nest will want to help their adult kids but this situation is going way beyond their duty so you should be very, very grateful for that.

I agree with one of the previous posters - you need to learn and communicate with a bit of humility.

You resigned with a gross misconduct charge still ongoing - the vast majority of employers will assume (correctly) that you jumped before you were pushed.

All that bluster in your post about heroic deeds, increased red tape etc is just smoke and mirrors - you left because you expected to be sacked. That whole post at #93 just came across as arrogant and deflecting attention away from the real issue.

And, yes, I have ample law enforcement experience so well know the changes and pressures involved.

What's the "real issue"? I've agreed with every poster who has suggested I will have issues with future employers. I said in one of my first posts in this thread that I resigned as I was advised to by a union guy (police federation) as he said I should walk out instead of be shoved out. Did you not read that?

My previous post you mention was merely to say I don't personally have an issue with my career even if employers do. Like I said, I've done more than enough work for myself and the public that negates my gross misconduct (saving lives etc - worth more than being kicked out for GM) I just need to prove to an employer that I am a worthwhile employee, and fully understand they will view gross misconduct only in a negative light (as I would, and as anyone would).

Re living with parents - I do everything I can here, I do all the washing up, picking up/dropping off, I cook where I can, I do everything as if it was my own place. I pay for my own food, I expect nothing and appreciate everything. I've very grateful I have this chance, if I was fending for myself (as in housing) I would be 10x worse off.

I may show humility in front of an employer, but personally why should I show humility if I feel hard done by? I acknowledge what I did was unprofessional, but I do feel that the way I was dealt with and the severity was unjustified - like I said, in any other profession it would have been a written warning at worse.

I won't mention specifically what I did, as if I did it would be easier to identify me. Why would I want that.

What do you want me to say? Every point you refer to I've responded to before.

I've found a career path I want to go down, why can't you be supportive? Your post is very negative, and whilst you may respond to that with "I'm just being realistic", like I said I'm aware of your point and have responded to it several times. Why can't you be constructive instead of repeating things you and others have said and I've acknowledged before?

youngbuck2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

You seem not to know that you can't get a student loan to do 120 credits with the OU in one year, which is why I asked who was paying, as you said you had no money.

You may not like what people are saying but that doesn't mean that they're not trying to be helpful.

(Although the arrogance you're showing on here goes a long way to explaining your situation, I'm afraid.)

Wrong.

Have a look here: http://www.open.ac.uk/courses/qualifications/q91#fees-and-funding

Have a look at the form and details at the bottom. You can definately study for 120 credits at a full-time equivalent. The Student Finance/Loan Company have already confirmed they will provide a student loan for the amount the OU need.

How am I being arrogant when I've agreed with what you and others have said (apart from your wrong point about the OU fees and full time study)? Are you saying I'm arrogant just because I'm confident?

I finally find what I want to do, show a positive mindset and all you seem to concentrate on is the negative points which I've already responded to with how I plan to deal with it.

youngbuck2

I created this thread looking for help. I got that, some really constructive and well intentioned posts.

But recently a couple of posters seem to be focusing on the gross misconduct - surely after 6 pages (if you read back and read my responses) I am well aware of the gravity of what happenned and my chances with employers. I know it won't be easy and I will have to explain myself to a future employer, but does it really need the same cynical people making that same point over and over again?

I start to show ambition and drive after a really !!!!!! last 12 months or so and I'm getting shot down for it?

I will never show humility publically for it - it was an overreaction and personally the way it was dealt with following the incident were not proportionate to the incident (like I said, it would have been a written warning elsewhere I've been told). Privately, in an interview and employer situation, I will fully explain my circumstance and show all the humility in the world, whatever I need to do to get the job.

missbiggles1

youngbuck2 wrote: »

Wrong.

Have a look here: http://www.open.ac.uk/courses/qualifications/q91#fees-and-funding

Have a look at the form and details at the bottom. You can definately study for 120 credits at a full-time equivalent. The Student Finance/Loan Company have already confirmed they will provide a student loan for the amount the OU need.

How am I being arrogant when I've agreed with what you and others have said (apart from your wrong point about the OU fees and full time study)? Are you saying I'm arrogant just because I'm confident?

I finally find what I want to do, show a positive mindset and all you seem to concentrate on is the negative points which I've already responded to with how I plan to deal with it.

I apologise - they seem to have changed that a couple of years ago.

youngbuck2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I apologise - they seem to have changed that a couple of years ago.

No problem - I genuinely began to doubt it after you said it and double checked

gettingready

youngbuck2 wrote: »

I start to show ambition and drive after a really !!!!!! last 12 months or so and I'm getting shot down for it?

.

Yup, this is how those forums work. Shoot down anyone who believes in themselves and bring them down to NMW level and "being humble". Absolutely do not encourage them to aim higher. Never even encourage anyone t aim higher then you are.

:rotfl:

youngbuck2 wrote: »

Wrong.

Are you saying I'm arrogant just because I'm confident?

Yup again, happens here a lot. Lots of people are not confident themselves and seeing someone being confident they take it is arrogance.

Repeat as a mantra - do not try to stick out, level yourself down to everyone around you and still bow to them at every opportunity you get.

Just chill and do your thing, you will be fine

emsywoo123

gettingready wrote: »

Yup, this is how those forums work. Shoot down anyone who believes in themselves and bring them down to NMW level and "being humble".

Lots of people are not confident themselves and seeing someone being confident they take it is arrogance.

Completely unfair.

Firslty, there is nothing wrong with "NMW level", and for someone with GCSE's, a resignation while under investigation, and a poor reference, it would be unrealistic to suggest that the OP could obtain a great deal else *at this point* - no one has said never.

Secondly, there is a difference between humble and showing humility. The OP can at times come across as verging on arrogant, and the epic post about all that he has done while working for the police goes to show that. No one has questioned his career and achievements - if anything, the need to write quite so much about it is indicative of a need to prove himself to others and a false confidence.

I wish you every success OP - there's no doubt it must be a huge change to your career plans, and you have a lot in the pipeline.