Re-wiring house - electrical certificate?

Dan-Dan

wallbash wrote: »

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And thats YOUR assumption.


Kettle , pot , black.

Perhaps he can come back to elaborate on what "we`ll soon find out" actually means , hopefully, he means once the testing has been carried out by a FULLY QUALIFIED spark , rather than we`ll find out when the OP` starts having electrical issues

In any event , my very valid point is if there is no cert forthcoming from a full house rewire , a homeowner is right to be concerned, especially if they plan to sell anytime soon , wether you agree that having a whole house rewired by a dubiously `qualified` spark is good thing or not , is up to you


Still waiting to hear what the valid point you say was being made is..

wallbash

Still waiting to hear what the valid point you say was being made is..

Answered .

Dan-Dan

Sigh , your avatar is how i feel communicating with you

thescouselander

jordanjim wrote: »

Without a certificate it's true that your main stumbling block would be if you sold the house but also most insurance companies consider your home insurance policy void if, for example, you ever have a fire and it turns out you've had uncertified work done.

I've heard this said many times but I'm not convinced at all that it's true. I've never seen an insurance policy that has any exclusions along these lines and if it's not specifically called up in the policy wording it's going to be difficult for an insurance company to withhold payment.

danm

A spark can be fully qualified but not part of one of the trade bodies.

In fact in know many sparks who think they are a waste of time...its just an easy process for them to self certify the work.

As far as i know the only legal requirement is for the work to be carried out by a competent person. I thought it was down to the owner to make sure there works were signed off (either by BC or self certified) - if that was not explicitly agreed in the quote then....

I know lots of sparks that can't issue certiciates......one is in fact the Part P tester for his firm.....he doesn't have his own reg and can't use the firms so can't give me a cert....doesn't mean he is a cowboy.

newbie1980

danm wrote: »

A spark can be fully qualified but not part of one of the trade bodies.

In fact in know many sparks who think they are a waste of time...its just an easy process for them to self certify the work.

As far as i know the only legal requirement is for the work to be carried out by a competent person. I thought it was down to the owner to make sure there works were signed off (either by BC or self certified) - if that was not explicitly agreed in the quote then....

I know lots of sparks that can't issue certiciates......one is in fact the Part P tester for his firm.....he doesn't have his own reg and can't use the firms so can't give me a cert....doesn't mean he is a cowboy.

this is where many will now fail as the regulations now remove the competent persons part and now state you must be electrically qualified or supervised to do work

zax47

danm wrote: »

A spark can be fully qualified but not part of one of the trade bodies.

In fact in know many sparks who think they are a waste of time...its just an easy process for them to self certify the work.

As far as i know the only legal requirement is for the work to be carried out by a competent person. I thought it was down to the owner to make sure there works were signed off (either by BC or self certified) - if that was not explicitly agreed in the quote then....

I know lots of sparks that can't issue certiciates......one is in fact the Part P tester for his firm.....he doesn't have his own reg and can't use the firms so can't give me a cert....doesn't mean he is a cowboy.

100% this. Competent is a definable thing, not an opinion. Many of us time-served sparkies loath these annoying Part P schemes! We are trained to, and abide by, and certified to, BS7671:2008 (as amended 2013) and are thus deemed COMPETENT.

We may, or may not, also be registered with one of the Part P Government instigated money making schemes.If we are then we can self-certify our work meets the requirements of Part P - which by implication means complying with BS7671 - which we do anyway (unless you're a cowboy). If not registered then the local council building conrol dept need to be notified and they confirm (and certify) compliance with Part P - mainly by using the information from the EIC (Electrical Installation Cert.) that EVERY sparks CAN and SHOULD issue the householder following a re-wire! This details the work done, the tests carried out and the results of those tests.

Part P is a building regulation sub-section. It does not rule what we do daily - thats's BS7671 - even then that isn't "Law" but "guidance for best practice".

The OP should have at least been given an EIC - if not then it suggests they employed a wrong-'un.

It's the home-owners responsibility to get a Part P compliance cert - either by employing a sparks registered with a Part P scheme, or notifying local authority building control dept about the work.

After the event, then the LABC may well accept a 3rd party EICR (Electrical Installation Inspection Report) as evidence that the work complies with Part P and issue a completion cert.

pendragon_arther

Dan-Dan wrote: »

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