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  • Martyn1981
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    NedS said:
    michaels said:
    Hmm - 78GW - peak UK demand is what - 45GW?  Does that big a pipeline in that configuration make sense?
    But it's an average 2h duration, so would only last around 3.5h at peak demand. In that context it doesn't seem so excessive to me.

    Yep, and distributed around the UK, so it's not all going to be best placed for supply or demand at any given time, especially if RE generation is peaking in one place, v's another. Could also be worth paying that bit extra for higher power/shorter discharge, even if you don't need it, just in case. For example, the 2hr/2MW Tesla Megapack costs about $65k / 6.5% more than the 4hr/1MW version. That seems to me, to be both significant if not needed, but also maybe not too much more to pay just for the odd chance you need more power.

    And, it's a pipeline, doesn't mean it's all going to be built, though I do expect the total to keep growing over time, maybe we'll start to see the energy side growing faster than the power side now, as storage starts to look at longer time periods.
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  • Coastalwatch
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    edited 8 November at 11:01AM
    With the weather patterns that exist here in the UK it's going to take a huge effort to arrive at a situation where we have too much storage in what ever form it may take. With battery prices still falling and the critical need for as much LDES as can be made available then possibly they could help bridge the gap. While Hydro, be it pumped or otherwise has proved itself over the last century they are a long term investment, circa five years plus and require a guaranteed income upon completion to make them viable without tipping the scales of balance too far so they take the appetite away from battery installs. Something as yet to still be established while the clock is relentlessly ticking on with CO2 levels rising at seemingly increasing rates.
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  • Martyn1981
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    I do like a wind re-powering article. They are great at showing how much the technology has grown (literally) in the last few decades.

    This windfarm originally built in 1995, has gone from 26 wind turbines, totalling 16MW, to 14 WT's totalling 79MW. Cool. [There were also additional WT's added to the original scheme in the 2000's.]

    ScottishPower Renewables repowers Hagshaw Hill

    ScottishPower Renewables has completed the repowering of Hagshaw Hill, Scotland’s first commercial wind farm, boosting its output fivefold while cutting the number of turbines almost in half.

    The South Lanarkshire site, which first began generating in 1995, has been upgraded from 26 turbines to 14 higher-capacity models with a combined output of more than 79MW – enough to power about 57,000 homes.

    ScottishPower Renewables chief executive Charlie Jordan said: “Hagshaw Hill started Scotland’s wind revolution – and now it’s back online, supercharged and ready to lead the next chapter.”




    And a small bonus article on recyclable WT blades, again reflecting progress.

    RWE installs all recyclable blades at Sofia

    RWE has completed installation of all 150 recyclable blades at the Sofia Offshore Wind Farm, marking the UK’s first large-scale deployment of recyclable blade technology.

    The milestone coincides with another major achievement at the 1.4GW project, with 62 of the 100 Siemens Gamesa 14MW turbines now installed 195km off the UK’s east coast. Each turbine stands 252 metres tall.

    RWE said turbine installation remains on schedule for completion in the first half of 2026, with full commercial operation expected in the third quarter of the year.
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  • Coastalwatch
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    They're both great news Mart, what a transformation at Hagshaw Hill. I just visited Robin Hawkes UK wind site in the hope of seeing them on there, while the latter is referenced merely as dot, so no generation figures I can't find Sofia showing at all.
    Reckon you're way to far ahead of the curve for them to have been included! :)
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  • thevilla
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    I don't think Ive seen this here.


    How Britain’s Wind Boom Has Slashed Energy Bills



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  • Coastalwatch
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    They're both great news Mart, what a transformation at Hagshaw Hill. I just visited Robin Hawkes UK wind site in the hope of seeing them on there, while the latter is referenced merely as dot, so no generation figures I can't find Sofia showing at all.
    Reckon you're way to far ahead of the curve for them to have been included! :)

    Couldn't understand why a wind farm the scale of Sofia wasn't showing on the site so delved a bit further. Apparently it was originally part of Dogger Bank Teeside A & B, being named Dogger Bank Teeside B and is now known as Sofia.
    So Dogger Bank A is being developed by SSE and Sofia by RWE. While the former is listed on GB Renewables Map I can find no trace of Sofia. I did wonder if they were perhaps one and the same as when putting Sofia into the Select Wind farm box it throws a wobbly and bombs out. Being 1.4 GW scale one would imagine it to have it's own slot unless combined with Dogger bank A but this is listed as being 1.2 GW only so seems unlikely.
     I would ask Robin the question but not subscribing to X I'm not able too, although would be usefull to find out at some point all the same.

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  • silverwhistle
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    They are definitely different wind farms. Sofia is 1.4GW and should come on stream this winter, Dogger A has 60+ turbines up and a couple of ship loads of turbines to go, and will also complete soon. Dogger B and C already have some of their foundations and transition pieces in. I forget the details, but good progress currently and by next winter I believe there'll be nigh on an extra 10GW.

    ( Sofia 1.4 GW, Dogger A (balance), B & C 3.2 GW, East Anglia 3 1.4 GW, IncCape 1.1 GW, Hornsea 3 2.9 GW.
    2GW of various onshore too, it all helps).

    Hopefully Rampion 2 off Sussex gets final approval soon; in the Southern area with a large population but where we lack wind (fair bit of distributed solar).

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  • Martyn1981
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    Been a while since I've mentioned Highview and LAES (liquid air energy storage). Looks like the idea is still progressing slowly.

    Highview secures £130m for first phase at Hunterston

    Highview has raised £130m to begin construction of a “stability island” at its planned more than 3GWh hybrid long-duration energy storage facility in Hunterston, Ayrshire.

    The latest investment, from the Scottish National Investment Bank, Centrica, Goldman Sachs, KIRKBI and Mosaic Capital, brings total funding for Highview’s long-duration energy storage rollout to more than £500m.

    The Hunterston phase one asset will deliver grid inertia, short circuit and voltage support services independently of the site’s storage system, helping alleviate grid stability issues and reduce wind curtailment in Scotland.

    The stability island marks the start of Highview’s Millennium Series, which includes further 3.2GWh hybrid storage facilities planned across the UK. The next project in the series, a 300MWh liquid air energy storage facility at Carrington in Manchester, is already under construction.
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